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hello and welcome to the show

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my name is martin willis i'm your host

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tonight and it's gonna be kind of an

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unusual show a lot of times we talk

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about like nuts and bolts ufos things

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like that we're gonna be talking kind of

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a full range

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since i've been doing the show i've had

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a number of people ask me you know what

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is the connection between

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ufos and bigfoot because they seem to

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happen in the same area

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and uh repeat guest stan gordon has been

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on the show a number of times back in

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1973 did some really good work

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on that uh stellar work

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and uh so there is has been that

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question now um i'd like to keep an open

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uh i i never say i know what things are

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i never say

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you know for sure they're alien for sure

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they're this interdimensional that or

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whatever i just try to you know hear

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people's opinions and things like that

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we have two uh very interesting guests

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for that tonight ron meyer and alan

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mcgargle and they're going to be talking

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about they have uh

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several films some they're working on

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right now

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regarding this topic and we're going to

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be talking about all that and

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it should be a fascinating show our blog

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this week is a

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19 it's called a 1976 ufo account

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encounter in kentucky

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and another great well-researched blog

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by charles lear who by the way is uh

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is i think his book is just about done

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and when he gets that completed we're

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going to have him on the show to talk

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about it help him out with his does such

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great work i'm glad to have him and uh

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glad to have the great work he does

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and it's always put out or most of the

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blog which if you follow our podcasts on

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podcastufo.com you'll get that rss feed

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for your uh podcast player or you're on

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our youtube channel that's all on there

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i believe i have a show coming up not

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coming sunday but the sunday after

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and uh

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on the everything else show so if you

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want to see what's going on with that i

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really don't have a mailing list for

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that all you have to do is subscribe to

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the youtube channel it's youtube only so

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that's where i talk about all kinds of

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things on that show

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and without further ado i'm going to

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bring in my two guests well first of all

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i do want to thank you all for listening

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to the show or watching it on youtube

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however you watch it and thank you for

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those of you who support the show uh

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anyone can do that over at

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podcastufo.com you'll see our patreon

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link and i appreciate uh whether you can

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or not uh pass the show along if you

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find it interesting and again thank you

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very much and here we go how you doing i

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have ron meyer welcome to the show ron

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good evening

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yes hi ellen uh alan i believe i spoke

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with you first when it came to uh this i

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i don't remember how we connected

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you you two and you connecting me with

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people to talk to when it comes to the

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uh the ufos and bigfoot that we hear

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talked to you off air about this person

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i spoke to they that person also said

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they see orbs

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and and hopefully that person will be

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calling in tonight this is uh someone

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just a little backstory about what i'm

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talking about i sat next to a lady on a

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felt courageous enough that you don't

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have to feel so worried about it these

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anyway i said i do a show on ufos you

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know what do you think of that that

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topic and she said well i have i don't

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really know it's interesting i really

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don't know much about it but i have a

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friend that uh has sasquatch

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a whole troop of them that come to her

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so today i spoke with that person on the

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phone and it's fascinating i hope she

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does call in in the last half hour and

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explain what what she knows out there so

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alan's as i mentioned you first i want

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you to go ahead if you would and uh

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give us your background and what got you

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interested in this topic to begin with

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yeah so um i've been interested in this

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kind of stuff since i was a little kid

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backyard and then we watched all the tv

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shows back in the 90s sightings and

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search up and those kinds of things so

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i've been interested in it for quite a

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mountains of upstate new york where my

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a potential bigfoot encounter and it

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conference and some some other folks and

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this and and now we're you know putting

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very good and ron how about yourself

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what got you interested in this topic

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the nature of bigfoot but earlier when i

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first passing of sputnik

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ufo encounter standing on top of my

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ape you might say running around

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that bigfoot is actually paraphysical

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maybe i'll do i'm interested in this i

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more what the possible connection would

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and that was the film called the bigfoot

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a runaway success i think over 4 million

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and i did that in conjunction with allen

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definitely we're all noticing it it's

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we'll get you right up in the camera but

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is that any better yeah that is better

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so we're going to have to have you that

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close up throughout the show

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um and so that's just that's just fine

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thank you for doing that oh that'll work

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just fine um because i really do want to

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take calls so that's uh the only other

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way if your mic fails on you we have to

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have you call in and there's only one

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good so uh let's see so as far as uh

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the uh bigfoot encounter

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the bigfoot alien connection revealed

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that's right yeah so i watched that and

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for the most part really interesting i i

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thought you know to be honest with you

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there was a couple things that i thought

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were reaching a little bit

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you know and uh but you know i know that

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gets a big audience i know that too

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you know people are fascinated by that

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and you know i mean we really have to

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the number one thing people want the

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nuts and bolts they want evidence they

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want to you know where where is that and

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someone in a gorilla suit and you know

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what the anatomy

282
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of a human human being does not line up

283
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with the joints and things like that so

284
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it's uh it's fascinating to think that

285
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that that could be the real film now

286
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i've seen you i'm sure you have seen

287
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other films of people

288
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showing

289
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and it's just

290
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i don't know if those are real

291
00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:30,640
you know there's little glimpses and

292
00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,560
things like that but for instance you

293
00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:34,800
know my my thought is right now okay

294
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this woman i spoke to earlier and she

295
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had to get off the phone quickly because

296
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she had an appointment but it was

297
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uh why don't we see video why don't we

298
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see pictures of these that's kind of

299
00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:49,680
does either one of you want to connect i

300
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mean uh

301
00:11:55,829 --> 00:11:53,360
uh take that topic

302
00:11:58,870 --> 00:11:55,839
why not really good video i i think that

303
00:12:01,190 --> 00:11:58,880
it's just it's just not possible there's

304
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there's something sort of non-scientific

305
00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:02,000
about

306
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you know the experiences that people are

307
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having with all this that are just

308
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they're they're not tangible in that way

309
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it's not meant for everyone it's meant

310
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for the individual whatever type of

311
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experiences it's been and i can let ron

312
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elaborate on on sort of what i mean

313
00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:21,040
yeah go ahead i mean

314
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i think the same is true for

315
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let's say crap alien craft types of

316
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experiences right there they're not very

317
00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:31,200
many really good pictures or videos of

318
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of alien craft unless you know some that

319
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i don't

320
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you know the tic tac ones are quite

321
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interesting and probably

322
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i've heard that that the um

323
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those are some of the worst pictures so

324
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maybe there are better ones

325
00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:47,200
but

326
00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:49,600
there are multiple ways to experience

327
00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:52,000
paranormal phenomena including bigfoot

328
00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:54,160
they're at least associated with them so

329
00:12:57,670 --> 00:12:55,760
i'm i'm not saying

330
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i don't think we're saying

331
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that

332
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this creature

333
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is something like you could film

334
00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:06,000
you could you like you film a gorilla

335
00:13:08,629 --> 00:13:07,760
because it's not it doesn't have that

336
00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:08,639
nature

337
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it's paraphysical supernatural whatever

338
00:13:17,269 --> 00:13:14,800
you want to call it it doesn't have a

339
00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:17,279
physical existence but it can appear

340
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in a physical way

341
00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:20,720
you know the most common

342
00:13:26,550 --> 00:13:23,680
evidence of bigfoot are footprints

343
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large plaster of pairs cast

344
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but almost in every case

345
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,720
there's only two or three and then they

346
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disappear

347
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so you think if you were tracking

348
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some animal

349
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the tracks would go on and go somewhere

350
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end up somewhere

351
00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:42,560
and but

352
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in almost all cases including our own

353
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cases in our land

354
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they show up they go for a while and

355
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they just seem to disappear into nowhere

356
00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:52,160
and there are plenty of counts of

357
00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:54,160
a bigfoot disappearing in front of

358
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people's eyes

359
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or merging into orbs

360
00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:00,160
or some people even saying being pulled

361
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up into ufos

362
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:05,120
so they have this quality that's

363
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:07,839
that's not in some way totally of this

364
00:14:15,509 --> 00:14:13,350
yeah you know

365
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:15,519
years ago when i started this show i

366
00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:17,360
remember that i had

367
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:19,760
um someone on that

368
00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:22,240
was actually taking reports it wasn't

369
00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:24,560
mufon i'm not i don't remember

370
00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:26,320
if it was an organization or not but

371
00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:29,120
taking reports of of ufos it might have

372
00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:30,560
been mufon

373
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and

374
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the story of this particular encounter

375
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:36,399
was

376
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large

377
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orb you know come down behind her

378
00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:47,600
property

379
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:50,560
and then she sees like an

380
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:53,600
a big foot appear out of it now this is

381
00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:56,160
going back you know 10 years ago i heard

382
00:15:02,069 --> 00:15:00,240
heard this um and so that makes me think

383
00:15:03,829 --> 00:15:02,079
you know i don't know what i think about

384
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:03,839
it you know

385
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,480
are they interdimensional is that the is

386
00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:07,920
that the leading is there a leading

387
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:10,000
theory i should say

388
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:13,279
i mean what what's their nature besides

389
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:15,440
not flesh and blood totally is that what

390
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:16,639
you're asking

391
00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:18,399
yeah i mean are they coming i mean are

392
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:19,839
people

393
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:22,160
is like a common theory that they're

394
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:23,680
coming from another

395
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,440
dimension

396
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:28,160
or is there no commentary

397
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,279
um

398
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:31,199
i mean that that's the simplest way

399
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,399
people talk about mystical experiences

400
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:35,839
is that they're interdimensional but i'm

401
00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:37,680
not quite sure what what that would

402
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:43,509
so so uh ron just to let you know uh

403
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:45,040
bill said you can back up just a little

404
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,959
bit i think now right right about right

405
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:48,720
there that's let's try that

406
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:51,199
so yeah um

407
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,880
and this thing about orbs you mentioned

408
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,880
that earlier people are mentioning that

409
00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:56,480
they see these things disappear into

410
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:57,519
orbs and

411
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:59,839
if they you know is that their way

412
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:01,440
if it is interdimensional is that the

413
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,880
way they travel

414
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:04,240
you know

415
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:05,360
well

416
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:06,399
um

417
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,560
i i i'm not stuck on the term

418
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:10,320
interdimensional what do you mean by

419
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:11,600
that

420
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:17,680
dimension they come in and out of our

421
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:20,480
our space from another space i mean

422
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:21,920
i'm just wondering if that is like a

423
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,320
common theory of what these things are

424
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:26,560
because there's no remains any no one's

425
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,360
ever found like a bigfoot body or bones

426
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,360
or anything like that that i'm aware of

427
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:34,320
so so so that they're not at least

428
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,360
totally

429
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,440
flesh and bought or part of our our

430
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:39,199
natural system they're somewhat somehow

431
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:40,880
supernatural

432
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:42,800
but you know

433
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:44,560
christians talk about god living in

434
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:45,519
heaven

435
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:46,959
right and they don't call god

436
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:48,399
interdimensional

437
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,360
or angels or so on that so so i'm not

438
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:52,959
sure what the i don't think anybody

439
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:55,120
really knows what the source is in that

440
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:56,079
sense

441
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:59,440
yeah but what about ufos i mean they

442
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,240
uh

443
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,000
some of the occurrences seem to be quite

444
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:05,600
mystical in that same way yes

445
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,110
if you think about the state of

446
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:13,280
physics and relativity there's a lot

447
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:17,360
that's not known right now right and

448
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,720
and i don't think either of those will

449
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,559
give you any answer to that question in

450
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:22,640
particular i think it's it's open right

451
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:25,520
now for exploration how this can happen

452
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,559
but

453
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:28,640
since since since recorded history

454
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,200
people have been having these kinds of

455
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,679
appearances of something supernatural

456
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,679
whether they're bigfoot or

457
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:37,919
you know angels or

458
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:38,720
you know

459
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:40,880
christ went into the mountains and had

460
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,360
some sort of encounter the bible's full

461
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,440
of them so are the

462
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:48,240
you know muhammad had had a supernatural

463
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:50,080
encounter and of course eastern

464
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,400
religions are full of them as well these

465
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:54,480
experiences that are sort of tailored

466
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:55,440
for you

467
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,200
they show up in a way that

468
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:59,280
that sort of makes sense for you

469
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:01,360
in the short term and you can handle

470
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:02,480
them

471
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:03,360
so

472
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,480
but

473
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:06,799
what it's all about is still open right

474
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,960
now

475
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:11,200
yeah and that's how i feel about

476
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,080
ufos as well you know like where uh

477
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,320
that's why i like to interview different

478
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:18,720
people that have different theories

479
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,559
on what these are and i've heard i've

480
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,840
heard it all

481
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:23,280
um and

482
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:24,559
the best

483
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:30,000
is maybe there are several different

484
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:32,320
things you know maybe it's not just one

485
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,520
thing

486
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:36,000
yeah can we tell you about um

487
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:39,039
we we got kind of carried away i have

488
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,480
we looked near the rocky mountains

489
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,880
around the edge of the rocky mountains

490
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:44,799
we opened up we thought we could maybe

491
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,320
open up a portal

492
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,240
on our land

493
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:50,720
and we actually captured on film

494
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,200
creatures coming through

495
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:54,960
not bigfoot

496
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:57,760
brought strange creatures and we we got

497
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:58,559
them

498
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,350
and you caught it on film

499
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,440
absolutely well you know on a webcam we

500
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:07,600
don't shoot film anymore but yeah yeah

501
00:19:10,550 --> 00:19:08,840
right right

502
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,560
wow and um

503
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,919
[Music]

504
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,200
do you want us to

505
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,120
tell you about that yeah sure absolutely

506
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:19,029
so

507
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,600
not only and of course this goes with

508
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,480
the ufos as well it's not not only

509
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,240
do you have these glimpses but sometimes

510
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,240
you can interact

511
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,360
there's a long history of of people

512
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,600
getting downloads like

513
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,440
newton got a download

514
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,799
about gravity

515
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:40,400
tying together what happens here on

516
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,919
earth and what the planetary movements

517
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,000
are and after that

518
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,480
he became obsessed with mysticism

519
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,039
so that this is pretty common so anyhow

520
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,720
we we started out seeing if we could

521
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,400
maybe interact with

522
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:54,320
with what we thought might be bigfoot on

523
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:55,760
our land

524
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,039
and one of the ways to do that is to

525
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,120
put some sort of object someplace and

526
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,600
see if something could move it or change

527
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,760
it when you go away just to see if it

528
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,960
would happen

529
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,400
so we

530
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,799
our land is very rugged

531
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,159
on

532
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,799
private property close to rocky mountain

533
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,480
national park

534
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,120
and uh alan we tell them about the

535
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,640
feather we put in the bottle and how we

536
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,000
hit it and all that

537
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,400
and then what happened yeah so during

538
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,320
some of our filming for the the bigfoot

539
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,240
alien connection reveal we we talked to

540
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:30,880
a lot of people um you know on the west

541
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,280
coast and and they told us about you

542
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:35,120
know sort of gifting and how you can

543
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,640
have these interactions with with a

544
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:38,640
bigfoot or what they said was bigfoot so

545
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,520
we we tried to do that we took a uh sort

546
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,600
of a glass bottle with a

547
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:44,799
sort of a thin

548
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:47,200
top and we put put a feather in there

549
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,880
and we kind of stuck that up underneath

550
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,000
some rocks

551
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,480
just sort of created a a way for an

552
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,400
interaction to happen and and and we did

553
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,919
it in such a way that

554
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,320
someone would have had to you know

555
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,480
found the bottle picked it up and

556
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,480
shook the feather out so it just

557
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,720
tried to make it as as

558
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,360
nature proof as we could um so we we had

559
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:09,120
that set up for a while and eventually

560
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:09,919
we

561
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,200
after a couple attempts and and the

562
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,039
feather was out of the bottle and we

563
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,720
found it stuck sort of in this crevice

564
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,000
nearby

565
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,679
so to us that was sort of maybe the

566
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,120
first sign of

567
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,799
actually starting to

568
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:24,960
make some sort of connection

569
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,110
so what we did next is that we said well

570
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,960
let's set up a trail cam on this

571
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,280
location now we'll consider this

572
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,200
our gifting site

573
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,120
and uh

574
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,039
we did

575
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,720
and uh

576
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,440
we came back one late

577
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,200
late in the fall

578
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:49,760
and dropped at a gifting site it was a

579
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,400
mutilated deer

580
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,559
you probably heard about mutilations as

581
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,960
some sort of weird paranormal oh yeah

582
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,559
yeah

583
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:01,440
well that blew our mind

584
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,480
so

585
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,120
in fact you know it's kind of spooky

586
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,200
i actually had a mental experience at

587
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,880
the same time when we discovered that

588
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,080
where

589
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:16,149
did an open eye meditation i closed my

590
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,280
eyes

591
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,200
and immediately

592
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,039
a parade of about

593
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,200
a hundred weird creatures poured through

594
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,200
in my mind's eye

595
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,720
indicating something like what would

596
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,480
show up eventually

597
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,840
so

598
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,520
when

599
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,039
we talked to some people about

600
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,720
mutilations and

601
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,240
this seemed to fit the bill quite well

602
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,320
and this is all well documented on on

603
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,640
films or tape

604
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,880
and then

605
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,200
when we came back another time to just

606
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,200
check on the trail cam

607
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,720
allen

608
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:51,280
looked at you know took the

609
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:55,039
the sd card and uh and look at it on his

610
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,480
computer why don't you tell them what we

611
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,919
found

612
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,480
yeah so we had a a series of one maybe

613
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,640
two or three i think two clips

614
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:04,640
that were all static it was just white

615
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,840
static

616
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,440
at first glance

617
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,440
which was very unusual never had so

618
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,960
never seen that before especially i've

619
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,960
had that camera for a while but as we

620
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,640
started to sort of look at that footage

621
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,200
you could see some movement in there

622
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,080
so we were able to sort of invert that

623
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,000
image turn the white to black and the

624
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,320
black to white and we could clearly make

625
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,919
out um

626
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,640
these little creatures there was

627
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,720
two or three different videos we have of

628
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,080
these little

629
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,870
at the same time

630
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,159
you can see that

631
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,919
there was like a dome shape to the

632
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:41,600
static

633
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,960
there was a very clear shape to it all

634
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,880
by the way the camera was working

635
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,640
perfectly when this wasn't happening we

636
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,440
had good night shots of foxes and

637
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,919
daytime shots of magpies

638
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,760
and so we went out and took

639
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,320
and took magnetic readings

640
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,080
to see if we could confirm that dome

641
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,640
shape and for sure sure enough

642
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,080
we got

643
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,080
magnetic fluctuations

644
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,240
corresponding to that dome shape that

645
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,640
we're off the charts at the same time

646
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:16,080
we could get that any time we wanted

647
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:17,120
well

648
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,960
interesting so just getting back to the

649
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:22,000
the

650
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,919
property

651
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,919
and then it showed up after

652
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,600
i mean did you not see it one day and

653
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,840
then it was there

654
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,520
we you know we have we have to drive

655
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,039
about an hour and a half to get to our

656
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,600
site from from where we live

657
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,070
we when we came out there was totally

658
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,640
unexpected i'm sure that the stadium was

659
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,799
in if we had come two days earlier we

660
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,400
went to seen it

661
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,240
and if we had come

662
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,919
maybe a week later

663
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,559
it might have been somewhat devoured

664
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,600
but

665
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,279
again

666
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,279
i don't know what to say it was but this

667
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,279
brand new no blood

668
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:05,440
there were saw marks cut marks as well

669
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,120
as rip marks no head

670
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,600
um and and

671
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,840
you know we're on the unlocked a gated

672
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,200
community of

673
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,440
large land holders of 40 acres who are

674
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,919
all pretty civilized people so

675
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,679
it's just and there were no drag marks

676
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:24,080
and this was off the road quite a bit

677
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,600
so

678
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:27,440
it was a mystery this is all kind of a

679
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:34,630
i know that you mentioned the

680
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,600
skinwalker ranch phenomenon that's what

681
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,200
you call it and i think

682
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,600
that is a good term because i you know

683
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,120
most people know

684
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,240
uh what that is and so you

685
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,600
are obviously

686
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,600
out there looking for these type of

687
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,440
areas which there seems to be quite a

688
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:53,679
few of some of them

689
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,559
say there's you know a native american

690
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:58,720
connection some people say that there's

691
00:26:09,669 --> 00:25:59,440
a

692
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,679
you either one of you

693
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,880
all of that

694
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,320
there's a native american connection

695
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,559
there is uh you know a crystal

696
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,320
connection there's a lot of rose quartz

697
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,440
and things like that in the in the

698
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,240
ground there so i think yeah it it's a

699
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,000
there's a connection to all of that you

700
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,600
know a lot of reports you know it's

701
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,919
around esther's park the gateway to

702
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,600
to the big park

703
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,760
and near the stanley hotel which is

704
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,799
considered to be the most haunted hotel

705
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,320
in the country

706
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,480
you know the place that uh your

707
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,679
boyfriend from maine hung out at he got

708
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:42,080
his inspiration for the shining

709
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:42,880
yeah

710
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,600
for three years in the

711
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,120
in the longmont area but i used to

712
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,640
travel all around

713
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,840
i loved it there uh so here's a question

714
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,000
someone wants to know uh please ask

715
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,760
about the possibility of terrestrial

716
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:01,120
bigfoot as well as e.t they put both are

717
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,159
there both

718
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,880
any comments on that

719
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,880
certainly there are there are

720
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:09,360
appearances and glimpses of both without

721
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,240
a doubt

722
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,400
and often in these uh

723
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,080
these paranormal hot spots that we've

724
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,039
been investigating both show up

725
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,679
we were one in wisconsin where

726
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,760
we had all sorts of strange things we

727
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,799
were looking for the beast of brave road

728
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,559
and we're kind of hypothesizing that

729
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,919
these beasts

730
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,919
are a group of animals like the beast of

731
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,480
gray road which is a dog man or a goat

732
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,559
man and bigfoot they're probably all the

733
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,720
same phenomenon

734
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,520
in our opinion at the moment

735
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,880
they just show up in different ways for

736
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,960
different people

737
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,200
and and once once the site becomes well

738
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,360
known for more and more people become

739
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,799
aware of it

740
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,360
and they start having experiences

741
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,440
and so we actually captured maybe the

742
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,080
beast of bray rhoden

743
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,640
uh filming it too

744
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,240
mighty strange occurrence there that was

745
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,559
in wisconsin

746
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,039
so but also at this site which we call

747
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,760
our sweet spot out there

748
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,240
it's the best example of um

749
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,559
ufo pencil shape ufos are you familiar

750
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,760
with those

751
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,279
i'm sorry what shape

752
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,440
pencil shaped i thought that's what you

753
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,799
said

754
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,640
no gated ones

755
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:22,720
like this you know they are

756
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,840
they're like this pencil shape

757
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,559
pencil like a pencil the right one okay

758
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,080
see i'm having a still having a hard

759
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,520
time with that audio it sounded like you

760
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,520
were saying pretzel and that would that

761
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,679
would be a new one to me you know

762
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:37,120
well they had a little assault on

763
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:38,080
everything

764
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,200
so

765
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,799
i

766
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:42,559
the guy who owns the property a capture

767
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,520
on his trail the best pencil shape ufos

768
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,000
i've ever seen moving

769
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,440
moving in

770
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,399
spot to another

771
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,880
and changing the number available right

772
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:57,279
over the spot where we may have captured

773
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,360
the feast of ray road on on camera

774
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,679
interesting wow uh here's another

775
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,279
question that and people thank you for

776
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,520
putting your questions in all caps so i

777
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,559
don't miss them uh so

778
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,559
what about them do you know i don't i'm

779
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,399
not familiar with this but i have heard

780
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,279
of people suggesting that they hear

781
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,679
something in their mind the so he's

782
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,840
calling this the mind speak phenomenon

783
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:23,440
many reports have been

784
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,039
uh about that um what do you have to

785
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,399
anything about that

786
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,240
you have any comments on that allen

787
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,600
allen's pretty familiar with that

788
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,039
personally

789
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,360
yeah it's it's not so much um

790
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,679
mind speak for me it's it's more of a

791
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,600
it's been more of a sort of a spiritual

792
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,919
experience is what i liken it to

793
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,720
um where i i feel emotion

794
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,279
but not my emotion and i sense this

795
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,960
presence when i'm

796
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,919
close

797
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,679
along with you know hearing other noises

798
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,480
footsteps and things like that um yeah

799
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,000
there's there's um

800
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,760
i feel this connection

801
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,720
when i'm doing these things like

802
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,720
not only am i looking for them they're

803
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,320
looking for me at the same time that's

804
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,320
what it feels like

805
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:08,000
um so i think they have a way to

806
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,279
communicate

807
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,640
um

808
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,559
maybe some people can communicate with

809
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,240
words but for me it's

810
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,320
i sort of you know

811
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,720
i feel it

812
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,480
about that

813
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,360
yeah

814
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,520
go ahead well we are in wisconsin where

815
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:25,039
we were looking at the beast of prairie

816
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,240
road

817
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,960
uh me our host who's a you know

818
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:30,960
well-experienced uh

819
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,000
desk watcher and kind of going from

820
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,760
the hairy hairy creature in the wood to

821
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,760
something more paranormal

822
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,360
at one point

823
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,520
when i did a meditation

824
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,840
he heard mine speak tell him he usually

825
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:46,159
goes out armed with tons of equipment

826
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:46,880
and

827
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,399
looks like he's ready for battle in

828
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,320
afghanistan or something

829
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,480
he heard clearly something in his mind

830
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,240
and felt it at the same time to turn

831
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,519
everything off

832
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,840
and he had never done that before

833
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,120
and he did it

834
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,039
and it put him at ease and made him feel

835
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,559
comfortable in the way he had never felt

836
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:06,240
in the woods before

837
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,440
yeah that ties back to what we talked

838
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,200
about the beginning of the show where

839
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,880
you know no one ever gets a good picture

840
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:12,720
i think if you're going to have an

841
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,760
experience of this nature you can't

842
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,200
go in there like that with that

843
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,919
intention with that equipment it just it

844
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,519
doesn't work that way it's not going to

845
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,279
happen for you like that

846
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,880
i've heard i've heard other people say

847
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,000
that

848
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:29,440
they

849
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,519
have

850
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,200
things with them they won't well the

851
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,919
thing for me that really started to

852
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,519
you know turn up the volume on a lot of

853
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,640
this where now i start to have

854
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,960
experiences more often than not

855
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,200
has been opening my mind to that

856
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,519
and that took a long time for me to do

857
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,679
because i'm not you know that kind of

858
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,000
person i'm i'm an engineer i'm

859
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,320
science-based i i don't think that way

860
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,960
so it it was sort of letting go of all

861
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,320
that when you're when you're in the

862
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,640
woods and letting it letting it happen

863
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,480
but that that's a really hard thing to

864
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,080
do because you don't

865
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,840
it doesn't feel natural you know for me

866
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,039
anyway

867
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,760
what about fear now i think of bigfoot

868
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,480
and i can't help but to think that

869
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,200
if i was in the woods and something was

870
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,720
nine feet tall

871
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,600
and big and hairy and walking

872
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,120
toward me

873
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:26,320
or away from me or anywhere that i saw i

874
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,279
would be

875
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,519
petrified well that's part of what i'm

876
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,039
talking about you know you have to let

877
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,919
go of all that you have to be receptive

878
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,080
if you panic you're going to just shut

879
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:37,519
down everything's going to shut down you

880
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,559
need to be

881
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,559
calm and open to that and things will

882
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,640
happen i mean i've had these things

883
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,799
um you know i didn't see them but i

884
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,360
heard them walk right up to me you know

885
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,080
six feet behind me and i could i could

886
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,679
feel it there was like a a warm

887
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,519
swirling feeling in my chest i knew

888
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,600
something was right behind me

889
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,799
but it just

890
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,440
you know you have to be calm or or it's

891
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,600
it's over before it even begins

892
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:05,840
yeah and what about i don't know which

893
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,360
one of you said it but someone said

894
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,000
people witness different things they're

895
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,279
seeing

896
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,960
people is does that mean when they're

897
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,480
seeing this

898
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:18,320
together they're both seeing something

899
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,360
different

900
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,360
i think it happens both ways

901
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,559
sometimes

902
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,360
people will see the same thing

903
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,640
and sometimes they'll see something

904
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,159
different or one will see something the

905
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,080
other won't say anything at all

906
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,320
yeah we've had experiences where i

907
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,679
clearly heard something and ron's

908
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,120
standing right next to me and he didn't

909
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,440
we've had instances where we've heard

910
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,480
the typical bigfoot wood knocks clear as

911
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,159
day super loud

912
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,679
two cameras rolling and we go back to

913
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,440
review the footage and there's nothing

914
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,840
it's not on there anywhere

915
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,320
so i think i think there is something

916
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,559
to that yeah well it's the same thing

917
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,279
with ufos i've heard a number of people

918
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,240
say that they both you know side by side

919
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,880
saw something different yeah yeah

920
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,880
well you know witness testimony is is

921
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,480
good but it's also

922
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,960
it's it's the hardest piece available

923
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,399
yeah yeah

924
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,639
so so just one more thing on

925
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,280
on the fear business i think

926
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,839
and this i think this is correct

927
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,639
that

928
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,040
the mental state you go in with

929
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,359
whether it's fear-based or something

930
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,480
much more calm or even joyous

931
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:27,040
your paranormal encounter whichever it

932
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:27,839
will be

933
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,119
will reflect your mental state

934
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:32,839
it takes a bit of training and

935
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,560
preparation to open people up i found to

936
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,720
to get out of that fear state into

937
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,280
something more opening and accepting and

938
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,879
then your experience will

939
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,679
will mirror your mental state

940
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,280
yeah i've been in the woods with people

941
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,359
that were armed to the teeth you know

942
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,720
that was the way they went they were

943
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,720
they were afraid and i had experiences

944
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,240
and i was ten feet behind him and they

945
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,399
didn't you know just things like that

946
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,359
yeah isn't that something yeah what well

947
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,960
um here's a

948
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,520
very interesting question

949
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,280
from uh carl bids and uh any connection

950
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,920
to bigfoot and people disappearing in

951
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,280
the wilderness i don't know if either

952
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,280
one of you have ever followed uh david

953
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,119
pilates

954
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,720
4-1-1 all these strange missing people

955
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,720
and you know i think people have asked

956
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,560
him that question as well i believe yeah

957
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,839
i mean for me

958
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,920
the experience of that i have had have

959
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,040
not been

960
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,359
fearful whatsoever and

961
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,079
i don't i don't believe there's

962
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,240
a direct connection not to say that

963
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,680
something couldn't happen um maybe if

964
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,359
those people are threatening them in

965
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,720
some way but

966
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,560
i don't know i'm not i'm not convinced

967
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,640
that that's a normal thing not to say it

968
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,560
hasn't happened

969
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,440
yeah

970
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,560
interesting well when

971
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,800
we think go go ahead ron you look like

972
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,280
you're going to say something yeah so

973
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,200
one of the most important aspects of our

974
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,880
investigation is that

975
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,119
every time we've gone in the field

976
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,560
we've had

977
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,599
some

978
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:04,720
occurrence

979
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,480
of some force messing with technology

980
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:10,480
i think gives you gives us some sort of

981
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,440
clue

982
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,680
as to what the nature of these things

983
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,520
might be

984
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,640
um

985
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,560
you want some examples

986
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:20,160
yes i'd like and i'm going to ask you

987
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,520
right off the bat how about the draining

988
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,920
of batteries that's what i always hear

989
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:26,079
yeah that we had a spectacular one of

990
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,359
those we were in

991
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,320
we were in arkansas at a crystal mine

992
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,520
and we you know what a rem pod is

993
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:36,880
rampart a rampard it's a oh no it's a

994
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,079
ghost effect device that puts out a very

995
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,560
weak electromagnetic signal in the radio

996
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,599
wave frequency range

997
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,599
you know it's it's like a little dome

998
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,560
shape and if something gets into that it

999
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,320
disrupts the field and

1000
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,640
it sets off a visual and audio

1001
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,560
type of um

1002
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,160
display

1003
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,320
we set these on a picnic bench

1004
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,880
and my my cameraman

1005
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,280
had a long live

1006
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,280
audio recording device separate

1007
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,920
independent set it next to us

1008
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,599
and we went back and we were on a stage

1009
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,760
looking and all of a sudden the grandpa

1010
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,880
went off

1011
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,720
and it was going crazy and we could see

1012
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:17,440
it

1013
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:24,240
through just normal

1014
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,359
camera

1015
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,640
enlargement

1016
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,520
and it lasted for over 12 minutes

1017
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,520
and then stopped

1018
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,720
and when uh alan and the cameraman

1019
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,640
went to uh

1020
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,560
gather the the tools up they had

1021
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
multiple experiences why don't you see

1022
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,160
what happened after hours

1023
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,160
yeah so when we we picked up the the rem

1024
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,400
pod it was the batteries were dead and

1025
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:48,079
then we went to shut off the audio

1026
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,520
recorder that was right next to it and

1027
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,520
the batteries were dead on that too

1028
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,960
and our cameraman said that you know

1029
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,240
that should last

1030
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,400
a day or two that had a plenty of power

1031
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,240
in it so that was very surprising and

1032
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,160
then as soon as we sort of got our hands

1033
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,320
on those things there was just we both

1034
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,520
got hit with this just poor smell

1035
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,599
that came out of nowhere just hit us

1036
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:10,720
both like a wall of just

1037
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,079
just really nasty putrid smell and then

1038
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,160
as soon as we both sort of discussed it

1039
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,839
for a few seconds it was gone

1040
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,320
isn't that something well speaking of

1041
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,599
odors

1042
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,640
um

1043
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,599
the you hear a lot of people talk about

1044
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:29,680
the bigfoot odor that

1045
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,680
sort of musky and maybe they

1046
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,320
smell bigfoot before they

1047
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,160
know he's even there is that something

1048
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,160
you hear of when you've investigated

1049
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,720
these things it is i i've experienced

1050
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,119
that too i i don't know if it's a

1051
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,400
you know a defense mechanism or if

1052
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,320
it's a stinky bigfoot or what but it

1053
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,000
doesn't happen you know all the time

1054
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,720
it's not it's not a telltale

1055
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,560
you know part of every sighting but it's

1056
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:00,000
definitely a thing that people say a lot

1057
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,040
wow

1058
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,040
so what's happening is that in this

1059
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:05,040
particular incident

1060
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,079
um

1061
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,560
the owners of the property interpreted

1062
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,079
all this as

1063
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,760
some sort of

1064
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,400
encounter with bigfoot that that

1065
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,839
something we couldn't see at least in

1066
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,440
the visual spectrum

1067
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,560
was interfering or moving inside that

1068
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,880
electromagnetic field producing that

1069
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,760
smell

1070
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,400
so a lot of paranormal phenomena which

1071
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,200
probably 50 years ago rene

1072
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:30,880
would not have been called an encounter

1073
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,119
and interpreted as big for now being

1074
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,920
interpreted as the presence of bigfoot

1075
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,079
just like alan's felt experience in

1076
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,760
multiple places

1077
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,920
he could say that a bigfooter you could

1078
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,520
say it was something else that was

1079
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:46,079
paranormal maybe alien of a different

1080
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,200
nature

1081
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,599
but more and more

1082
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,920
things that occur that are unusual or

1083
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,400
kind of supernatural are said to be

1084
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,160
attributed to bigfoot for whatever

1085
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:58,000
reason

1086
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:59,040
wow

1087
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,000
now

1088
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,079
we we talked earlier about skinwalker

1089
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,079
ranch and i know that there was a

1090
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,839
science team there

1091
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,319
and they actually

1092
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,480
uh were not filming at the time but they

1093
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,560
saw a portal

1094
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,720
and they saw this animal not a bigfoot

1095
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,720
but some type of weird animal come out

1096
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,000
of this portal

1097
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,040
and uh this is uh also this question

1098
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,680
that just popped up here um al jaylen

1099
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,119
wants to know if

1100
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,160
um do you have any comments regarding

1101
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,960
them traveling through portals actually

1102
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,359
i mean i think smaller animals yeah

1103
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,280
that's a real possibility i mean i think

1104
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,520
um your comment about skinwalker ranch

1105
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,400
that's

1106
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,880
i guess what we would classify

1107
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,800
that's the same thing that we had happen

1108
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:44,640
on bronze property

1109
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,680
so you know we um we were at the montana

1110
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:49,200
vortex or

1111
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,160
up in

1112
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,640
near glacier national park and they have

1113
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,599
a vortex there and and the owner of the

1114
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,720
property has

1115
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,720
video of what he says is a bigfoot

1116
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,960
coming through a large hairy being sort

1117
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,520
of appears so i think it's it's possible

1118
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,440
if it's if it happens all the time i i

1119
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,040
don't know but i think it's definitely

1120
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,319
possible

1121
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,079
so if you remember that incident at

1122
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,640
skinwalker ranch is that

1123
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,880
these portals

1124
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,200
occur in conjunction with a dramatic

1125
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,520
drop in temperature i mean people who

1126
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,240
you know encounter ghosts and crazy

1127
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,640
buildings it's almost always a felt drop

1128
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,720
in temperature as if

1129
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,640
maybe that can be attributed to a portal

1130
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,480
and something moving through

1131
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,200
so in two of our investigations we had

1132
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,960
clear evidence

1133
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,200
of

1134
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,200
portals that we captured on our thermal

1135
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,230
in some on a summer evening in

1136
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,640
washington state of washington

1137
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,000
we found a cold spot on an area where

1138
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,680
a sensitive said she had plenty of

1139
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,839
paranormal activity and what was the

1140
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,680
temperature below freezing in this

1141
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,319
little portal area was that something

1142
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,359
like that

1143
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,720
yeah we were getting really low

1144
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,000
temperatures i don't remember the exact

1145
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,200
numbers but

1146
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,280
30 and below

1147
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,359
in a small area wow

1148
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,520
and then at our place where we thought

1149
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,760
maybe we had the beast temporary road we

1150
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,640
had a similar sort of situation

1151
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,040
where the temperature was

1152
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,560
it was a warm evening and the

1153
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,400
temperature was down into the 30s and

1154
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,119
40s again and it has a physical shape of

1155
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:24,960
kind of

1156
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,560
rough but the big the biggest experience

1157
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,240
they had at skinwalker ranch staying

1158
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,079
phenomenal for portal when all this

1159
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,000
stuff showed up

1160
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,920
and um

1161
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,760
and in colorado

1162
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,480
we had a situation where

1163
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,960
two guys were out doing big footing

1164
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,960
during the bigfoot weekend

1165
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,319
and we captured

1166
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:50,880
on film from from each one a different

1167
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,589
and this wasn't you know backscatter

1168
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,599
because they weren't using uh

1169
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,960
infrared

1170
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,960
still cameras shooting you know with

1171
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,950
quite different in shape and very

1172
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,040
interesting

1173
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:10,640
and one of them said that

1174
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,150
of the um

1175
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,790
or the orb the orbs they all occurred

1176
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:23,760
together

1177
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,880
we documented that too

1178
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,119
interesting how you know

1179
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,200
another thing that makes you wonder if

1180
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,119
it's

1181
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,520
what makes like say if these things are

1182
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,200
really happening happening in certain

1183
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:39,040
areas

1184
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,960
um you know i mean they theorize you

1185
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,200
know the minerals they theorize

1186
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:44,800
you know what we talked about earlier

1187
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,640
native american connection whatever but

1188
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,800
it's not just here in this country you

1189
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,200
know things are happening everywhere you

1190
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,520
know even at rendelsham forest they say

1191
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:57,760
weird things are happening um you know

1192
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,319
that's known for a 1980 you know ufo

1193
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,440
incident

1194
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,599
at a military base but people are saying

1195
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:05,359
that they see

1196
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,400
crypto

1197
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,720
animals and things that are just really

1198
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,880
wild you know the dog man and all that

1199
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,560
everything else that they see in this

1200
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,960
whole area and why do you suppose

1201
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:16,480
it's uh

1202
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,240
they're just in certain areas and

1203
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,240
you know for it does that point more to

1204
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,560
where people might think that this could

1205
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:27,440
be

1206
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,040
uh travel through some other realm

1207
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,400
so you know

1208
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,880
i think if you look at history

1209
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,119
going way back i think

1210
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,839
all these mystical experiences

1211
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,640
always correspond to some sort of place

1212
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,200
you know jesus had his experiences

1213
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,440
somewhere muhammad had his experiences

1214
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,720
somewhere

1215
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,440
often the people that were in india or

1216
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,520
the buddhists they're all associated

1217
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,760
with places in some way another

1218
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,520
thomas merton the great christian mystic

1219
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,319
said there are places that are thinner

1220
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,280
to the other side whatever that means

1221
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,880
so

1222
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,400
human consciousness is

1223
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,920
joined together

1224
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,359
and there's some evidence like dean

1225
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,920
rayden you know he is

1226
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,160
no i'm not familiar no

1227
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,440
yeah the great psy experimenter

1228
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,160
uh the scientific word that that human

1229
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,319
consciousness has joined together

1230
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,720
can create these places so that people

1231
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,400
are creating them

1232
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,560
and once once it starts it begins to

1233
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,920
build and build and we have some pretty

1234
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,119
good evidence

1235
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,720
that that's the case because everywhere

1236
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,680
we go

1237
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,440
we can kind of pinpoint one or two

1238
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,720
people

1239
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,839
kind of the beginning of it all

1240
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,839
wow interesting well

1241
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:45,680
last week's show was on the

1242
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,880
consciousness connection with ufos

1243
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,960
last week was that this week is

1244
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,040
bigfoot

1245
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,119
so i just heard it very similar for sure

1246
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,839
i think yeah i guess

1247
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,640
yeah

1248
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,440
um okay i just heard from the person i

1249
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,079
spoke to earlier and uh she's willing to

1250
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,400
call in so uh i might do that a little

1251
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,920
bit early and i'll

1252
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,599
let uh of course bill has to take the

1253
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:11,040
call and all that here's another

1254
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,920
question

1255
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,119
have either

1256
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,440
of you heard the samurai chatter from

1257
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,200
these creatures

1258
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,760
yeah yeah what is happening i i did a

1259
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,680
lot of you know sort of cut my teeth on

1260
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,480
bigfoot at salford state park in

1261
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,040
central ohio which is well well known

1262
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,359
across the country with bigfoot folks

1263
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,839
and uh me and my buddy were we had

1264
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,000
reserved the group campground which is a

1265
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,760
huge area off in the wildlife area of

1266
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,079
the park by itself and we had we gotten

1267
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,680
some special permission to go in there

1268
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,640
after

1269
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,240
the season so it was in march and it was

1270
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,400
really really cold that night in the 20s

1271
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,839
and we had set up our tent and we were

1272
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,440
just sitting by the fire

1273
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,960
um you know

1274
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,800
discussing our plans and how we're gonna

1275
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,800
you know do our investigation and and

1276
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,800
down on the the trail down below as we

1277
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,280
heard what sounded like a a woman

1278
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,920
talking to two kids just soft little

1279
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,520
voices but the more we leaned in and

1280
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,240
listened we're like that's not people

1281
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,040
but it's language and that's that's what

1282
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,040
it sounded like it was that sort of

1283
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,680
chatter noise and uh it went on for a

1284
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:13,599
couple minutes and and we had a very

1285
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:18,950
interesting wow that is

1286
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,240
that and i had never heard of that so

1287
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,119
yeah i'm asking i'm asking her name is

1288
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,400
mardi m-a-r-d-i

1289
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,720
i'm asking her to call

1290
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,920
now so uh bill might be uh ready and

1291
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,480
standing by and we'll take her call so

1292
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:37,520
why

1293
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,599
you two are in colorado but

1294
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,640
you must

1295
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,720
wonder why

1296
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,440
that state is so active

1297
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,960
i mean is it the wilderness does that

1298
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,640
have something to do with it

1299
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,160
it does and i think there's a lot of

1300
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,319
people out there dedicated to

1301
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,240
finding it too so you've got more people

1302
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,079
looking

1303
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,640
but yeah it has it has a a real rich

1304
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,960
history i i'm not sure

1305
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,839
i mean it's it's super remote out there

1306
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:12,559
but also there's a lot connected to the

1307
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,160
to the volcanoes and the cascades

1308
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,839
a lot of underground

1309
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,559
passageways and strange things connected

1310
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,400
to those volcanoes

1311
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,680
i've heard that and then there's the

1312
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,000
mima mounds have you heard of that

1313
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,240
where's that's there obviously but where

1314
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,160
where in the state

1315
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,040
where the mima mounds around centalia

1316
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,480
there are these

1317
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,520
these conical shaped things that are

1318
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,640
maybe

1319
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,720
six seven feet high and there's

1320
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,720
thousands of them all lined up one after

1321
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,000
another

1322
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,480
one theory is that aliens somehow we're

1323
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,000
digging these tunnels and that's where

1324
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,240
they dump the material

1325
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,599
otherwise if they're totally

1326
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,319
inexplicable there's no no way that they

1327
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:55,359
could have occurred and they're quite

1328
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,400
ancient

1329
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,400
it's just really bizarre stuff like that

1330
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,839
going on

1331
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,200
now have they ever

1332
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,200
done a radar to try to see what's down

1333
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,040
inside them like a lot of times there'll

1334
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,400
be a burial

1335
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,800
uh you know chambers or something that

1336
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,440
are unusual yeah there's nothing there

1337
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,520
but there's thousands of them all lined

1338
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,359
up in one area one

1339
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,880
there are probably

1340
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,800
five or six football fields across and

1341
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,319
it goes for miles

1342
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,319
wow and ron touched on another you know

1343
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,760
topic that's come up while we've been

1344
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:25,760
doing this research and talking to

1345
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,559
people

1346
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,160
and there's there's a contingency of

1347
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,000
people that believe that they may be

1348
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,280
subterranean as well and there's a whole

1349
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,280
infrastructure underground somewhere

1350
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,200
that these things could

1351
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,119
come in and out of

1352
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,640
well well i have uh marty is on the line

1353
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,200
i'm going to add her to the show marty

1354
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,720
is uh the person that i was talking

1355
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:48,960
about earlier i met her friend on a

1356
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,400
plane and started talking uh to her and

1357
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,800
she connected me to her today marty

1358
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,040
welcome to the show hi

1359
00:50:03,829 --> 00:49:58,800
hi

1360
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,839
your your what part you're right on the

1361
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,800
border of oregon right your cabin

1362
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,599
yes

1363
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,720
okay yeah

1364
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,559
so can you explain what what is

1365
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:13,040
happening

1366
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,559
well um

1367
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,280
for the last three years

1368
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,839
we've developed a relationship with a

1369
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,920
group of sasquatch that live on the

1370
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,359
property

1371
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,200
and

1372
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,359
i realize that sounds

1373
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,359
well to this audience hopefully it

1374
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,680
sounds normal

1375
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,079
to me i'm a skeptic i'm a natural

1376
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,800
skeptic of everything and so

1377
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,440
um but i'm very open-minded about most

1378
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,400
things

1379
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,200
and and and so it's um it started with

1380
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,800
just hearing them

1381
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,760
hearing

1382
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,520
you know them calling to each other at

1383
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,960
night

1384
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,680
which is pretty terrifying

1385
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,480
um really loud screams and and the

1386
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,119
chatter uh i think alan or ron just

1387
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,359
mentioned the chatter noises

1388
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,119
that they heard you know it sounds like

1389
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,280
a group of people talking

1390
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,160
yeah um uh we're hearing that at night

1391
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,079
as well like you you would think that

1392
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,520
there's a group of

1393
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,000
humans on your property we have 30 acres

1394
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:13,920
it's our own mountains

1395
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,200
and it we are um in what's called high

1396
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,520
prairie washington so we look right out

1397
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,359
at mount adams in the cascades were

1398
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,400
right between

1399
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,720
mount hood and mount adams

1400
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,720
so that would give you an idea of the

1401
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,359
terrain and you know i'm only 20 miles

1402
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:32,160
away from the esetti ranch

1403
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,960
um ec eti you know with a i

1404
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,800
you're probably the most

1405
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,800
paranormal hot spot in the whole state

1406
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,040
so not surprising

1407
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,240
so so marty before we continue here i i

1408
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,079
have to ask you

1409
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,079
and i want you to continue because it's

1410
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,839
it's fascinating to me but

1411
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,280
what about

1412
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,640
photos and videos

1413
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,079
i've heard other people say they

1414
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,079
disappear when you want to take a

1415
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,920
picture is that what what's going on

1416
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,680
with that yeah

1417
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,400
well um i had one experience just this

1418
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,680
last june

1419
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,359
i would it was

1420
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,040
i'd been um

1421
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,359
i meditate i meditate twice a day every

1422
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,440
day i was meditating outside underneath

1423
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,559
a tree

1424
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,839
um in a meadow where they often come and

1425
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,960
go

1426
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,839
and

1427
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,000
yes i believe that there's a portal here

1428
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,640
or we're in an energetic vortex

1429
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,520
um

1430
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,200
definitely we have a native american

1431
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,640
connection here we have everything all

1432
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,800
of the above check check check for like

1433
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:35,200
skin walker ranch conditions

1434
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,880
um and so i was meditating and i heard

1435
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,200
them say i heard

1436
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,760
telepathically in my brain

1437
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,520
if you want to see us we'll be out

1438
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,960
tonight

1439
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:49,280
and i thought

1440
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,240
okay

1441
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,720
and i'm always the disorganized person i

1442
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:54,960
don't ever have my camera but i had my

1443
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,000
cell phone on i was ready i'm like okay

1444
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,760
well we'll see if that was true if it's

1445
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,000
just my mind you know

1446
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,880
and um that night you know every night

1447
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,960
at 10 o'clock they'd been running by the

1448
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,760
house and hitting the side of the house

1449
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,160
and i mean it's loud you can hear the

1450
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,520
footsteps

1451
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,520
it's it's terrifying

1452
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,800
and um

1453
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,200
and so they ran by hit the house but

1454
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,920
then i heard someone coughing down below

1455
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,079
my window i had my windows open i was

1456
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,119
upstairs i look across the meadow

1457
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,280
and they were trying to get my attention

1458
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,040
and i was like i don't believe this i

1459
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,359
don't believe it until i see you and so

1460
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,040
i stood up and looked and there they

1461
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,319
were there's a group of about 17

1462
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:41,440
about exactly 17 i counted

1463
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,839
i i was so freaked out i'm like what

1464
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,160
why we have motion sensor lights on the

1465
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,319
house and they couldn't quite reach they

1466
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,880
almost reached right on the edges of it

1467
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,280
but what they were doing was amazing

1468
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:58,079
um i held up i picked up my phone camera

1469
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,680
i'm looking through the camera and i

1470
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,359
waved because they were looking right at

1471
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:03,760
me i could see red eyes looking right at

1472
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,319
me across the meadow so they're about

1473
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:07,920
what

1474
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,599
maybe 200 yards 100 yards away

1475
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,079
not that far but far enough you know

1476
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,559
and um but i could see them clearly and

1477
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,119
they were i could physically see them

1478
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,680
but they sort of looked semi-transparent

1479
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:23,040
around their

1480
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,599
were semi-transparent

1481
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,520
so they were walking and they were

1482
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,520
walking in a ceremony they were

1483
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,760
following each other in a circle

1484
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,680
and you know what it reminded me of is

1485
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,760
powwows how you know the native

1486
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:40,319
americans i go to a lot of powwows that

1487
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,599
um they go around in a certain circle

1488
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,280
and i just started wondering like i

1489
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,119
wonder what is this

1490
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,200
well then i started hearing native

1491
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,799
drumming it was like boom boom

1492
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,680
and really loud but it was not made of

1493
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,880
drumming

1494
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,799
how do i know i just know it wasn't it

1495
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,720
was like a mechanical sound coming from

1496
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:02,240
the earth

1497
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,680
and then

1498
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,520
so i'm watching and i'm i'm filming in

1499
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,440
my camera right i'm like oh my god oh my

1500
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,599
god i'm going to put this video out and

1501
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:12,160
and the minute i had that thought

1502
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,040
um

1503
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:15,839
the the the leader who seemed to be the

1504
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,640
largest had to be you know 15 feet tall

1505
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,960
i don't know really tall

1506
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,880
because way across the field really

1507
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,480
really tall taller than one of my

1508
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,839
tallest trees

1509
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,480
looks at me and my camera flew out of my

1510
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,520
hand flew against the window dropped it

1511
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,040
i'm like oh

1512
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,440
oh okay guess not

1513
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:37,440
and i just kept watching i could still

1514
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,400
see

1515
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,480
but everything the power went out the a

1516
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,799
second later like

1517
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,400
all the power went out

1518
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,480
um and i went well i guess they don't

1519
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,599
want to be filmed and um

1520
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,920
but i i went to look i didn't have it

1521
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,240
but i witnessed it i saw that and then

1522
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,240
ever you know i have many many many more

1523
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,000
experiences ever after but that's the

1524
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,839
first time i physically

1525
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:00,880
saw them

1526
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,520
on the property doing this ceremony a

1527
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,000
long story short i

1528
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,960
watched on one of the shows you know i'm

1529
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,400
obsessed with all those different

1530
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,040
documentaries on history channel etc

1531
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,880
well there was something about

1532
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,119
washington state in the tri-cities which

1533
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,839
is only 100 miles from here they've got

1534
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,000
a research lab on portals

1535
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,960
and um they said a feature of a portal

1536
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,200
when it opens is that sound

1537
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,319
that something sound it thumps

1538
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,319
and um it does sound like native

1539
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,920
drumming

1540
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,079
so uh scientifically proven they're

1541
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,240
doing experiments at this lab in the

1542
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,559
tri-cities on opening and closing

1543
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:41,760
portals

1544
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,480
so

1545
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,559
i never knew that i thought well okay

1546
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,880
that's interesting

1547
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,280
well i while you're on don't don't don't

1548
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,160
hang up yet i want to know if

1549
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,079
alan or ron

1550
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,839
do you have some questions i mean this

1551
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,480
is

1552
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,760
what i would consider a pretty good

1553
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,200
witness you have any

1554
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,799
uh questions for

1555
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,720
well it sounds like a lot of stories

1556
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:04,240
we've heard i mean you have some details

1557
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,200
in there

1558
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,680
that are new but a lot of the there's a

1559
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,680
lot of similarities to your story and

1560
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,160
other people that we've talked to in

1561
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,880
some of our own encounters as well

1562
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,640
they always seem to be

1563
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,119
um just out of reach you know either

1564
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,359
visually or or through the use of

1565
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,760
technology to really view them in a

1566
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,280
clear manner they they know what they're

1567
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:27,040
doing that's for sure

1568
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:27,920
yeah

1569
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,799
yes

1570
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:31,280
like i said that adam's area is

1571
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,559
probably the most paranormal rich spot

1572
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,960
in the oregon washington area

1573
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,920
um

1574
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,040
it is

1575
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:40,960
there's a guy who we work with his name

1576
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,750
maybe not

1577
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,240
very well not tom powell i think he's

1578
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,000
one oh yeah

1579
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,160
yeah okay uh-huh yeah if there's some

1580
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:53,839
way we could put you in touch with him

1581
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,440
he he's worked that area quite a bit

1582
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,000
we also got some some interesting stones

1583
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:02,799
from another sensitive that were

1584
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,520
put out incredible electromagnetic

1585
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,760
activity that lit us all up from that

1586
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,319
area so there's a lot going on there

1587
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,240
all right i i have a a couple of

1588
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,440
questions uh for you marty it's uh

1589
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,400
how close have you ever gotten to the in

1590
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,599
and you said

1591
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,559
that they form different groups

1592
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,240
right but how close have you ever gotten

1593
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:27,040
to one how how far away was the closest

1594
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,200
one okay so this this is this is one of

1595
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,520
one of the first experiences i had here

1596
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,559
i was

1597
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,280
standing out at 4 00 a.m in are in that

1598
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,640
same field

1599
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,680
um

1600
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,640
and

1601
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,839
i hear

1602
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,760
all around me just like what the guys

1603
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,359
were saying you know i'm not seeing

1604
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,319
anything but i'm feeling them you know

1605
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,640
the thumping footsteps are coming it's

1606
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,880
like elephants thundering all around me

1607
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:54,960
yeah i have three dogs on a leash i have

1608
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,400
three dogs on a leash out to pee at 4am

1609
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,040
and they wrap around my legs and it was

1610
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,400
probably they surrounded me in a group

1611
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,839
and they were what they were i could

1612
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,880
feel them i could i had i was paralyzed

1613
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,400
i couldn't move

1614
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,839
and that is also a feature i've learned

1615
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,680
um it's uh

1616
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:17,920
i i was literally paralyzed but i was

1617
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,640
being spun around while my feet were on

1618
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,520
the ground i kid you not so they were

1619
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,520
surrounding me and how i knew they were

1620
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,760
surrounding me was i could feel their

1621
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:29,599
breath like

1622
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,839
i could hear

1623
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,680
that and and they were going they were

1624
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,440
saying

1625
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,200
[Music]

1626
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,680
they were doing fake owl calls to each

1627
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,079
other and it was i was in the middle of

1628
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,000
their circle they were circling me they

1629
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,599
were messing with me

1630
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,280
and i was terrified

1631
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,680
and i went i finally found my voice and

1632
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:51,839
i said hey if you're trying to scare me

1633
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:54,559
it's working i'm really scared

1634
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,359
and

1635
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,440
it's instantly stopped

1636
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,040
instantly like the minute i said

1637
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,720
something they went oh

1638
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,119
and they just took off down the hill

1639
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,799
calling to each other

1640
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,400
let me let me ask you something when you

1641
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:08,880
say you felt them what can you describe

1642
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,920
that what did that feel like

1643
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:12,960
um

1644
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,880
hot uh you know my chest like my my

1645
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,240
whole chest

1646
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,160
was um

1647
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:21,520
i

1648
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,359
you're um really out of breath

1649
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:27,119
yeah and um

1650
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,720
it was just frozen i thought with fear

1651
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,920
i've learned

1652
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,160
that's a a sonar

1653
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,359
thing

1654
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,760
um like a infrasound it's called

1655
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:40,480
infrasound and tiger tigers have it

1656
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,309
and my dogs couldn't move i had one dog

1657
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,799
that ran away early on but the other two

1658
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,960
were frozen and wrapped around my legs

1659
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,640
and so that we're all just standing

1660
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,599
there like what is happening

1661
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,000
now did you actually go go ahead ron go

1662
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,920
ahead ron have you had any did you have

1663
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,240
any experiences as a younger person

1664
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:08,160
before this that are paranormal in

1665
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:19,430
yeah

1666
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:22,720
yes i'm wide open

1667
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,079
and and and so well that's why it's new

1668
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:28,319
then that's why it's you

1669
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,390
i called the sheriff three times this

1670
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:36,720
last summer because of them jumping on

1671
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,920
my roof they jumped on my roof and i

1672
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,799
asked

1673
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,520
i i thought well shoot i wonder if

1674
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,040
because they talked to me when i

1675
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:48,160
meditated i asked telepathically

1676
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,839
why are you doing this are you just

1677
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:51,359
messing with me because i was really

1678
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:52,480
scared

1679
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:56,160
and and they said oh it's just our way

1680
01:02:02,470 --> 01:01:56,960
like

1681
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,480
have a relationship i'm not even kidding

1682
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,720
i i leave food for them i asked them

1683
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,799
what they wanted i have a hidden place

1684
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,760
that i leave it um i they've been

1685
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:11,920
interacting with me now the closest i've

1686
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,559
gotten is maybe 10 or 15 feet away now

1687
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:19,039
but they will show themselves but they

1688
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,520
when they do they disappear

1689
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,520
they show themselves physically full on

1690
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,119
and then they go

1691
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,799
into thin air

1692
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,280
uh it's it's very trippy

1693
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:32,240
and what about orbs

1694
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:33,440
oh yeah

1695
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:37,280
uh their trees around here um at night

1696
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,160
um

1697
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,720
usually it's like once a month

1698
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,000
and that's what led me to start

1699
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,400
believing are they just coming here they

1700
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:46,240
they have a new crew that comes in for

1701
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,240
training i mean i have other people i i

1702
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,480
i know it sounds silly but i have other

1703
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,480
uh witnesses in the family it's not just

1704
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,480
me there's at least four of us that have

1705
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,319
witnessed all of these things

1706
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,200
yeah they're gonna ask for that yeah so

1707
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,480
yeah it's not just wacky marty

1708
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,480
yeah and that place we should go allen

1709
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,280
to investigate yeah definitely it sounds

1710
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,599
up our alley for sure

1711
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:13,280
when the sheriffs were here when the

1712
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,799
sheriff's deputies were i had him out

1713
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,200
three times last year because i could

1714
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,839
swear it was people and there should be

1715
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,599
no people on my property like i said

1716
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:23,440
we're very remote we're out in the

1717
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,400
middle of nowhere uh 30 acres our own

1718
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:28,160
mountain you have to come up a mile

1719
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,880
driveway to get up here so

1720
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,880
you hear people talking you hear

1721
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,119
chattering it sounded like a bunch of

1722
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,359
chinese people that's what i thought i

1723
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:39,839
thought is this chinese is it japanese

1724
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:40,559
and

1725
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,720
the window of course there's nothing

1726
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:46,400
there but my lights were going off all

1727
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,920
night long

1728
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,920
and and um

1729
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,599
the the sheriff when they came i said

1730
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,520
you're gonna think i'm really nuts but

1731
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,039
you know this is what i believe is

1732
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,039
happening and they're like no that's not

1733
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,880
nuts all of us have had our experiences

1734
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,039
here

1735
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,280
it's just it's normal it's just people

1736
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,960
don't talk about it

1737
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,559
yeah

1738
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,880
now why would why would

1739
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,200
it sounds like a semi-remote area maybe

1740
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,839
i'm wrong but a lot of times people will

1741
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,280
spot

1742
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,760
you know bigfoot in an area where it's

1743
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:19,359
very remote and

1744
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,720
what would be if if like i'm just trying

1745
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:24,839
to figure out if these things are

1746
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,079
visiting do they not want human re

1747
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,079
uh interaction or

1748
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,480
do they i mean do they wanna i mean why

1749
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,640
are they here no

1750
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,240
okay um

1751
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:38,319
well if you wanna get into all that i

1752
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,680
i've started

1753
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,680
i've been because i'm a meditator

1754
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,520
because i'm a spiritual person because

1755
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:46,319
i'm wide open to all of this i started

1756
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,359
talking with tr attempting to talk with

1757
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,599
them telepathically

1758
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:53,359
it doesn't seem like it's super

1759
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,039
successful like i've had two experiences

1760
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,760
where they responded back but it's never

1761
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,359
been in the moment

1762
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:03,680
it's been i will pose a question in my

1763
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,960
meditation

1764
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,280
i'll say i asked just that question so

1765
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:08,960
what's the deal you know you want to

1766
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,839
play around here you want to run by the

1767
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,839
house you want to make noise you want to

1768
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,520
you know mess with me

1769
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:17,280
but you don't really want to hang out or

1770
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:19,200
talk or get to know me or

1771
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,400
i just

1772
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,720
what's the deal what is that

1773
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,039
and they said and why can't i take your

1774
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,839
picture and they said because

1775
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:29,839
it's not what we're here about

1776
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,480
we've lived here for billions of years

1777
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:36,000
we this is our planet as well as yours

1778
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:36,960
and

1779
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:42,400
how they need to for their mission quote

1780
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,440
unquote

1781
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:45,200
i don't know what is their mission i

1782
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,240
don't know

1783
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:48,720
but the orbs those blue orbs

1784
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,920
um big blue or uh you'll see them once a

1785
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:52,960
month here

1786
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:56,079
and it it it will coincide often with a

1787
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,599
full moon

1788
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,280
so um

1789
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,200
you know i could see why people get all

1790
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:03,200
freaked out and spooky about it

1791
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,160
i mean i still do it's terrifying

1792
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,160
but it's still cool it's cool it's

1793
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,000
really interesting to me

1794
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,119
but it is scary

1795
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,200
have you ever you said that you

1796
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:17,920
were horrified uh and

1797
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:20,480
but do you are you more or less at peace

1798
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:22,000
now

1799
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,960
with uh

1800
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,319
with these

1801
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,160
and what type of foods do they like by

1802
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,760
the way

1803
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:29,920
i've just been leaving them i asked i

1804
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,039
asked um because i contacted that

1805
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:34,799
there's a guy who's written some books

1806
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,680
about this kiwani leipziritis

1807
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:38,960
and um

1808
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:41,520
i contacted him and said okay here's

1809
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,000
what's happening to me it's very similar

1810
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,559
to what i've read in some of your books

1811
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,119
and um he said oh give them organic

1812
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:50,960
almonds in a jar

1813
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,160
i'm like okay what no

1814
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:55,920
i don't even know where to find that so

1815
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,839
i i was like i don't think they would

1816
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,880
like that

1817
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,640
and and i so i thought well i'll just

1818
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,680
ask

1819
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,319
and so in my meditation i just said hey

1820
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:05,920
i'm going to leave you i was thinking

1821
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,960
apples oranges maybe some peaches would

1822
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:10,559
you like those

1823
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:12,799
yes yes to all of those

1824
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:15,039
and it took them a while if they i knew

1825
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,960
they heard me i can't tell you how i

1826
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,240
knew i just knew

1827
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,240
and then later that night i was

1828
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,280
literally up at 3 a.m i was going to the

1829
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:25,280
bathroom and all of a sudden in my head

1830
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,160
i hear

1831
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,559
hello honored friend

1832
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:31,440
yes on the apples and peaches

1833
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:33,039
i'm like i mean i thought jumped out of

1834
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,160
my skin

1835
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,960
i was taking a pee i'm like oh my god

1836
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:37,920
okay

1837
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,599
apples and peaches duly noted so i

1838
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:43,760
that's what i leave them i i would leave

1839
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,720
them like every friday i go to the store

1840
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:48,640
and i would bring back a big bag for

1841
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,039
them and hide it in the hiding place and

1842
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,039
that was really cool because to me i'm

1843
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,440
still testing i'm like because i don't

1844
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,599
see them often but you can feel them

1845
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,680
hear them they walk with me up and down

1846
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:02,559
my mountain uh i had to clear my road of

1847
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:03,520
rocks

1848
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,599
eroded over time it's just a dirt road

1849
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:09,920
and so rocks start coming through so i'm

1850
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,920
picking out the big ones so people don't

1851
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,440
pop a tire

1852
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,359
well they would walk with me

1853
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:17,839
like maybe 15 feet away but i could feel

1854
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:21,120
them hear them smell yes smell

1855
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,000
and

1856
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:25,120
they would throw rocks back

1857
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,799
they thought it was a game

1858
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,560
i was throwing rocks over to the side

1859
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:30,080
like get this out of here i don't want

1860
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:32,159
that one there and another rock would

1861
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,359
come back

1862
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,279
i'm like from the thin air in my point

1863
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:36,799
of view i'm like but i can hear them

1864
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:40,080
crackling along the sticks with me

1865
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:41,199
so

1866
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:45,679
because a lot of people

1867
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,799
uh feel this way uh this may be a little

1868
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:50,880
harsh to hear but you know i'm sorry

1869
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:54,719
she's a waste of time all this frequency

1870
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,679
and not a bit of evidence um so

1871
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,080
what do you i mean

1872
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:02,880
it is frustrating because

1873
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,199
everyone wants evidence it's frustrating

1874
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:06,480
for everyone

1875
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,440
and

1876
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:08,960
when you're saying you

1877
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,359
you decided you have just given up on

1878
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:13,839
trying to film or take a picture you've

1879
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,199
just totally given up on that

1880
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,759
me personally yes because committed to

1881
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,159
it i'm a person in my word and i told

1882
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,640
them okay if i promise not to take your

1883
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,960
picture well i'm gonna put cameras up

1884
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,679
here because this is a game trail i

1885
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,839
don't like not knowing what animals are

1886
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,600
surrounding my cabin

1887
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,440
but um

1888
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,080
not intending to take their picture no i

1889
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,640
promised them they said no no pictures

1890
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,000
so all right

1891
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:44,080
um it's okay to me if people want to

1892
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,839
think i'm wacky i don't care i don't

1893
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,279
whatever it's interesting to me

1894
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,600
it's it's interesting to me because i

1895
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:53,440
didn't believe in most of this i thought

1896
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,960
oh yeah okay sure sure that happened but

1897
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,040
now when i you know when i called the

1898
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,640
sheriff out here three different

1899
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,520
deputies said to me don't worry about it

1900
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:05,679
it happens all the time out here we

1901
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:08,800
understand we've all had our experiences

1902
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:09,679
so

1903
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:12,719
that's good enough for me and and um

1904
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,920
i am going to have a crew come out here

1905
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:17,840
and see if they can get

1906
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,199
evidence but i bet they won't

1907
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,159
they won't because because

1908
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,000
i have a neighbor i have a neighbor

1909
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,280
about a mile up who comes once a year

1910
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,000
and he came and i told him hey just fyi

1911
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,560
there's a whole large group like at

1912
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:37,040
least 20 that come and go from the

1913
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:39,199
mountain here and so just in case you

1914
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,719
hear him tonight he's like why would you

1915
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,320
tell me that you're just trying to freak

1916
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,480
me out like no no i was just trying to

1917
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:46,080
give you a heads up if you're camping

1918
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,199
tonight

1919
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,120
and um

1920
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,280
they didn't hear or see anything

1921
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,880
and then the next morning after those

1922
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,239
guys were gone

1923
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,400
they were at my door they throw pine

1924
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,400
cones at my door

1925
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,640
and and like what was that

1926
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,199
who what was going on why are they here

1927
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,149
so i am going to have a crew come out

1928
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,400
here long story long i've got some

1929
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,520
friends that are paranormal

1930
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:14,159
investigators and i told them i said you

1931
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,679
guys want to come and camp and use all

1932
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:17,600
your equipment and take pictures and

1933
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,880
whatnot that's fine because it's not me

1934
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,120
i see well they they may still know you

1935
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,280
have a connection to it but anyway these

1936
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,040
gentlemen above

1937
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,840
the these gentlemen here um will

1938
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:32,159
probably also be interested in talking

1939
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,199
to you

1940
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,199
yeah well you know i just wanted to add

1941
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,440
one thing to what you said there i uh as

1942
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:39,040
far as getting evidence and things you

1943
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,159
know i i've found and i believe now that

1944
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,080
these experiences are are for

1945
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,239
individuals they're not

1946
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,840
they're not something you can gather

1947
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,920
evidence if you go out trying to gather

1948
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:51,360
evidence you're going to have a hard

1949
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:54,719
time and a lot of these investigators

1950
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,760
they they need to sort of step away from

1951
01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,760
that mindset if they want to have their

1952
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,159
own experiences if you get away from

1953
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:03,920
trying to prove it and just accept that

1954
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:05,920
it's real and then i'm open to having an

1955
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,640
interaction that it starts to happen if

1956
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,560
you if you let it but going out there

1957
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,320
with with the intent of i'm going to

1958
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,760
share this with the world it's that's

1959
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,679
not what it's for it's for you it's not

1960
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,679
for the world true

1961
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:20,239
yeah i agree i agree i feel strongly

1962
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:23,360
about that now too i i really do i i

1963
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,470
it feels sacred to me

1964
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,640
yeah and it's a special thing

1965
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,640
and it's okay to feel that way about it

1966
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,320
and to treat it like that you know i've

1967
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,480
we've met people that have told us about

1968
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,320
these kinds of encounters on their

1969
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,840
property or that they've had and we're

1970
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,600
like hey we're doing a documentary can

1971
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,960
we come you know check it out and

1972
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,560
they're like nope we don't have anything

1973
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:46,239
going on you know all of a sudden they

1974
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:47,280
they clam up and they don't want

1975
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,040
anything to do with it because it does

1976
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:51,600
if you if you're receiving that message

1977
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,560
correctly it should be personal

1978
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,640
uh marty i got a question for you what

1979
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:59,120
about footprints someone just said put

1980
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,320
flour everywhere and there'll be

1981
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,480
footprints but don't do don't they leave

1982
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,280
impressions in the ground

1983
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,159
no i've never seen a footprint here ever

1984
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,480
um you know what i have seen i was

1985
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:13,280
sitting i have a window where you know

1986
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:16,640
i'm i work from home i look out to mount

1987
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,840
adams beautiful view and i saw

1988
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:21,600
um

1989
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,800
a grizzle ahead i mean i went what

1990
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,440
i saw a bigfoot head

1991
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,239
go floating by the window my window is

1992
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,560
15 feet off the ground

1993
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,560
so i was like what

1994
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,159
i mean it made me laugh really hard

1995
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,239
because they had been throwing pine

1996
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:39,840
cones at the door and i wouldn't come

1997
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,640
out

1998
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,120
because i was busy i was working

1999
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,760
and so they kept moving around the house

2000
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,920
and finally they floated right by like

2001
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,400
oh there she is they float by the window

2002
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,800
and i went okay i have to go out there

2003
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,719
because this one is very

2004
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,560
wants to engage

2005
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,400
and i took my dog on the leash and he

2006
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,199
went out there and my dog wouldn't go

2007
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,199
the dog's like nope

2008
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,280
first turned back around and ran in the

2009
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,280
house because they smell

2010
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,920
before i did and can you speaking of

2011
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,920
smell what is the type can you describe

2012
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,719
what the odor smells like

2013
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:16,880
yeah it's very skunky

2014
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,520
yeah it almost smells like like a

2015
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,520
combination of pot

2016
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,920
and a skunk

2017
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:25,520
you're more

2018
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:28,640
yeah and a little bit

2019
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:31,679
yeah yeah but not as strong as um

2020
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:34,560
uh because skunks last we do have skunks

2021
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:35,520
here

2022
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:37,520
and you know what that smells like then

2023
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,840
they it's really hard to get out and

2024
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,719
um like a passing smell it just kind of

2025
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,550
yes exactly

2026
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,030
well i'm i think the thing that's very

2027
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,960
interesting about this is you you claim

2028
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,719
that you actually see them like

2029
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:57,440
disappear in front of you

2030
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:58,480
yes

2031
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,280
and that's um one day that's sort of how

2032
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,840
i thought i started noticing i had the

2033
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:06,080
weird experience with the beings

2034
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,560
surrounding me that were invisible and i

2035
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,320
thought well that was odd but i don't

2036
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,640
really know what was that i felt it was

2037
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,880
sasquatch but i how would i know i don't

2038
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,760
know

2039
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,960
and so

2040
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,760
right after that i had the experience of

2041
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:20,880
um

2042
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:23,360
looking out the window at a tree and you

2043
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,719
know you just kind of stand here and

2044
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,800
look out at the view and like oh my god

2045
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,199
that tree is just swaying back and forth

2046
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:31,760
wildly as if someone's climbing it

2047
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:35,199
and it's a giant pine tree i mean really

2048
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,159
tall

2049
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,480
and i thought okay how can that be

2050
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,159
happening there's nothing i'm not seeing

2051
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:42,640
anything else just this tree as if

2052
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:43,679
someone's

2053
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:46,480
climbing it and it's wildly bending to

2054
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,040
and fro and all of a sudden

2055
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,679
the tree goes it got bent way over to

2056
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,120
one side like someone's going to

2057
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,719
slingshot off it

2058
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,560
and it went

2059
01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:59,040
and it sling shotted and the guy it was

2060
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,560
a sasquatch it looked like a young one

2061
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:04,880
uh black fur

2062
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,000
and look like you know a young

2063
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,880
a young younger guy he went flying

2064
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,239
through the air and as he flew through

2065
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:14,080
the air to the next tree over he was

2066
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:16,400
flying to a tree like i don't know 20

2067
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,920
feet away

2068
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,880
and

2069
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,480
he disappeared midair

2070
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,320
but you could see the other tree as he

2071
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:23,760
landed on it

2072
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:26,320
so i saw him just for a flash in the air

2073
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,280
and then

2074
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:28,960
lands on the other tree and he's

2075
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,159
disappeared but the tree is going

2076
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:34,400
like someone just landed on me you do

2077
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:36,400
realize this this sounds way out there

2078
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,520
you

2079
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:39,440
but but i mean i do

2080
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:43,199
i believe that you that's all right

2081
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,110
that's totally understandable i if i was

2082
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,800
listening to someone do this too i'd be

2083
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:54,000
like okay

2084
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,880
all right

2085
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,560
yeah

2086
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:59,120
to me we're all in our own journey

2087
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,640
and and so

2088
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:01,679
i

2089
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,960
to me

2090
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:21,760
and

2091
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,159
i i do i get choked up when i talk about

2092
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:26,320
it it's just it's very special it's very

2093
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,440
cool

2094
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,400
and um i don't care i don't care what

2095
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:32,239
anyone else thinks because i just know

2096
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,239
what i know and and it's my whole family

2097
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,719
too if it was only me and no other

2098
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,800
family members then i'd start doubting

2099
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:41,440
my insanity so there's a question up

2100
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:43,840
there for you have you or other guests

2101
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,800
or family members ever considered it's

2102
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:49,760
something else besides bigfoot

2103
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,590
i mean

2104
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:55,120
is that the only thing you think it i

2105
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,960
mean it doesn't appear to be anything

2106
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,480
else but what people are claiming

2107
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,560
they're seeing right okay

2108
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:03,360
well i just saw someone i saw dmt up

2109
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,760
there

2110
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,920
[Laughter]

2111
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,080
no never done dmt

2112
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:10,000
uh never done ayahuasca i've never done

2113
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,040
it but

2114
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,040
one might experience

2115
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,280
um on the on your boards i just i wasn't

2116
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:17,280
looking at your board until now

2117
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:18,320
um

2118
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,600
yeah well don't get distracted yeah

2119
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,480
tons of paranormal experiences here to

2120
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:26,480
be had just like what the guys were

2121
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:29,679
talking about um portal i'm sure that's

2122
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,480
why i've had a time slip experience

2123
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:34,640
where i went to the grocery store came

2124
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,360
home i didn't have a driveway to go up

2125
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,440
and i was just panicked going what in

2126
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,239
the hell it doesn't exist and where i

2127
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,480
was dr i drove down the freeway 10

2128
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,239
minutes past my driveway where it should

2129
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:48,880
have been there's nothing here there was

2130
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,600
no

2131
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,040
um

2132
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,120
not a house nothing

2133
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,520
and and this is you know like every mile

2134
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:57,360
or so there's a house here

2135
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,199
and so finally i'm like well i know

2136
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:01,199
where this one neighbor is he's about

2137
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,480
you know

2138
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:04,960
a couple miles down the road from me

2139
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:07,040
he was there and so i used his driveway

2140
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:08,400
as a turnaround

2141
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,719
i came back i'm like man if my

2142
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,480
driveway's not here on this this go

2143
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:14,960
around i don't know where am i am i just

2144
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,920
in no no man's land and there it was it

2145
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:19,120
was there

2146
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:22,239
uh i asked i asked about that in

2147
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:23,679
meditation

2148
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,550
i was told there was a meeting

2149
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,640
we were having a meeting so they closed

2150
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:32,239
off you know you don't have a driveway

2151
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,920
you don't have a property no one's

2152
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,840
allowed up here it's like the place

2153
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,440
disappeared

2154
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,560
i thought okay let like a committee and

2155
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,679
and

2156
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,560
listen people have seen physically seen

2157
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:47,199
little shadow people here like a foot

2158
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:48,239
high

2159
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,440
they're

2160
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,360
we call them menehones

2161
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:53,679
and they're these small black shadow

2162
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:54,880
people

2163
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,280
and you can i've physically seen those

2164
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,800
myself here

2165
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,440
uh i don't know what are they uh

2166
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,800
they're elementals i believe so

2167
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,560
is this something you see like out of

2168
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,639
the out of the corner of your eye or you

2169
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,199
can look right at it no

2170
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,320
no looked right at it it ran right by me

2171
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,280
i i went oh i chased it i it ran

2172
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:19,280
upstairs and i chased it and it flew out

2173
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,800
the window

2174
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,480
have seen one

2175
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:24,320
running out of my car engine

2176
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:27,360
and i thought okay is that a squirrel no

2177
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:28,159
no

2178
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,280
it was a person with legs and arms

2179
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:33,280
that i have a picture of a little thing

2180
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,719
with red eyes

2181
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:36,800
my friend is an orb photographer she

2182
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:39,360
comes here because she loves it

2183
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,239
and

2184
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,719
we get all kinds of crazy orb

2185
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:44,239
photos here

2186
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,760
and um

2187
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:47,440
we have a picture of one of those little

2188
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,960
black shadow people

2189
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:50,159
i mean

2190
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:51,120
you know

2191
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,880
well i'm not i'm not going to be in a

2192
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:55,360
big hurry to move out by you

2193
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,560
there's too much going on

2194
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,719
mom won't come here anymore uh she's too

2195
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:02,560
scared of it

2196
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,679
yeah yeah i would be uh yeah i may want

2197
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,520
to see some of those pictures well you

2198
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:08,960
know uh marty i want to tell you it's

2199
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,520
been a real real pleasure having you uh

2200
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,360
for boy you've been on for i think maybe

2201
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:15,360
half an hour or something

2202
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,639
and uh

2203
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,639
it's it's been great it's been really

2204
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:20,480
really interesting to hear

2205
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:23,840
uh you know directly from someone who's

2206
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,560
um experiencing some really weird stuff

2207
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:30,000
yeah

2208
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,760
crossed in a strange type of way

2209
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:38,800
kismet

2210
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,239
but uh yes thank you very much

2211
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,560
okay thanks a lot all right

2212
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,159
bye now

2213
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:48,000
so i'm going to be opening up the lines

2214
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:51,199
to uh other callers here and that number

2215
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,800
is going to be up

2216
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,239
on the board right here it's eight five

2217
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,000
five four seven two five four eight

2218
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:57,920
three the lines are open

2219
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:00,719
and bill is standing by

2220
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,760
um

2221
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,760
so that that was uh

2222
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:05,199
you probably weren't expecting that

2223
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,480
tonight

2224
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,320
to have someone call in like that you

2225
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,880
never know you never know when we start

2226
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,239
talking about this all kinds of things

2227
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,600
happen so

2228
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,440
yeah that was uh that was great really

2229
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,760
interesting for sure yeah have you ever

2230
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:20,239
heard most of what she's talking about i

2231
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,360
mean

2232
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,440
yeah about flinging flinging the young

2233
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,360
one in the tree

2234
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,440
yeah yeah yeah

2235
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,840
a lot a lot of times people have

2236
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,080
pretty long-winded stories

2237
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,760
hard to tell whether

2238
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:35,199
you know the source of them but yeah

2239
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,159
we've heard people go on and on before

2240
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,760
with their stories of encounter with

2241
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,440
particularly a bigfoot

2242
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:42,320
yeah

2243
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,120
um you know you hear other places in the

2244
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:49,520
world they have

2245
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:50,840
different names

2246
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:53,360
yeti um i i forget all the different

2247
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,480
names

2248
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,880
all but they're in almost every

2249
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,560
continent right

2250
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,560
yeah they become sort of local legends

2251
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:03,040
in those areas and and you know the the

2252
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,440
elder folks in those places have names

2253
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:07,280
for these things it's it's part of

2254
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,719
culture now

2255
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,239
these kinds of creatures

2256
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,679
it's a sort of

2257
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,320
it's an archetype you know the wild wise

2258
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,600
man right

2259
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,360
or wise woman

2260
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:19,199
is a it's a pretty pretty well-known

2261
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:20,639
archetype

2262
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,120
in the united stands for sure so

2263
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:25,520
it's not surprising that

2264
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,800
something is going to show up to you

2265
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,800
it'll show up as something that

2266
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:30,960
you might be able to interpret as

2267
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,520
the wise wild man

2268
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:35,120
now you mentioned

2269
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,639
at the

2270
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,719
the ranch or wherever the land is that

2271
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,560
you go to

2272
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,280
these little animals is there

2273
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,600
is there other paranormal stuff

2274
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:47,280
happening

2275
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:53,350
i i don't know that we've

2276
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:55,120
gotten to the bottom of all that i don't

2277
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,560
know that we've really

2278
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,719
honed in on the paranormal side most of

2279
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,040
it has been dealing with

2280
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,199
trying to make contact and and dealing

2281
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,800
with sort of the gifting in the in the

2282
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,960
mutilation side of it so

2283
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,480
um

2284
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:10,800
i don't know everything the estate park

2285
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,040
area is well known for ufo true

2286
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,320
tons of bigfoot reports not on our land

2287
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:20,639
but in the general area i mean did you

2288
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:21,440
say

2289
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,920
i know right i've been there many many

2290
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:27,840
times i used to live out there i used to

2291
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,639
love that area yeah so we're only

2292
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:32,400
maybe three or four miles from stanley

2293
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,360
hotel the land we're on

2294
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,120
in esther's park

2295
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,199
so you know yeah i know the hotel now

2296
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,639
and everything i know exactly where you

2297
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,560
mean yeah yeah frankly every old

2298
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,320
building in estes park it's got ghosts

2299
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,520
and haunted yeah so it's really a major

2300
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,840
paranormal hotspot and if you look into

2301
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:51,679
the literature there's a lot of reports

2302
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,960
of ufos

2303
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:55,120
people seeing them in that area so

2304
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:57,040
i mean we're just 40 acres in the

2305
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,719
mountains so

2306
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,960
wow and it's isolated and we don't have

2307
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,960
anybody else running around on it so

2308
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,880
yeah that's many reports from our land

2309
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:06,560
because they're probably the only ones

2310
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,600
there

2311
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,120
beautiful beautiful area love it out

2312
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:11,280
there we have ken and he's calling from

2313
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:13,760
your state in colorado ken you're live

2314
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:20,390
ken you're on

2315
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:24,840
hey guys from essex park colorado

2316
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,760
calling hello guys yeah yeah we're

2317
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,840
listening yeah hi kenny

2318
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,040
hi kenny

2319
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:33,120
how you doing guys i'm the first one to

2320
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:38,830
hi guys

2321
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,679
just just excellent what you guys are

2322
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:44,080
talking about tonight i can vouch for

2323
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,040
these two gentlemen i love them both uh

2324
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,520
the alien contact in the rockies will be

2325
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:51,840
coming out and we're gonna talk about

2326
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,560
the orb experience that i've had and

2327
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:56,719
um with the

2328
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,760
orb and the aliens and bigfoots and all

2329
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,520
kinds of good stuff in this movie coming

2330
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,520
up so be sure to watch that

2331
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:05,440
and i just love these two they talk

2332
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,080
about the esses park area um i've had

2333
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:10,159
been up in that area for about 15 years

2334
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,000
doing investigations

2335
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,760
out of esther's park in the rocky

2336
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,920
mountains and sure was privileged to get

2337
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,840
these guys to come up and do some stuff

2338
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:18,719
up there

2339
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:21,679
and to bring it to the audience

2340
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:25,760
more of the inner reactions of this

2341
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,000
film coming up it's going to just

2342
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,639
be another great one that these guys

2343
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,719
have done so yeah

2344
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,960
he's been a big help to us and

2345
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:37,280
he's sort of uh he's the local bigfoot

2346
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,880
guy there everybody knows kenny is the

2347
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,960
bigfoot guy so he's been a a big part in

2348
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,719
helping us kind of sort of get to the

2349
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:44,239
bottom of some of this and uncover some

2350
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:45,360
more evidence

2351
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,560
when you say the word alien i've heard

2352
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:50,480
heard that

2353
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:52,960
what do you mean by that

2354
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,560
some form of non human intelligence

2355
01:27:02,790 --> 01:26:57,760
okay

2356
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,800
wondered how

2357
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:04,560
what what that term meant to you when

2358
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,440
you're

2359
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:07,440
using that term yeah i'm not narrowing

2360
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:10,719
it down to any particular technology or

2361
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,880
or any general

2362
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,120
any specific sorts of

2363
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,199
phenomena but in something that's

2364
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,760
non-human and it's intelligent

2365
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,679
because then the lady you were talking

2366
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:23,600
to it certainly seems that she's

2367
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,800
interacting with something that's

2368
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,960
intelligent and interactive

2369
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,880
probably smarter than her because

2370
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:30,639
they seem to be messing with her in some

2371
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,440
way

2372
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,280
which is they're kind of playful a lot

2373
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,280
of people have said that before

2374
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,000
yeah hey kenny have you yourself had any

2375
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,400
ufo sightings there in yesterday's park

2376
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:44,790
yeah uh

2377
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:45,520
the

2378
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:51,840
a hop in a skip away

2379
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,400
um one particular sighting is documented

2380
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,639
where we've seen one flying over the

2381
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,480
stanley and

2382
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,800
as it was flying over the stanley was

2383
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,960
headed towards that little town

2384
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:05,360
called glen haven and down in that area

2385
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,560
i my research area i got a phone call

2386
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:11,600
uh not too long after that few days and

2387
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:13,840
i went down and did an investigation of

2388
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,159
a mutilated goat and i called david

2389
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,400
price for missing 4-1-1

2390
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,400
uh he came up and went and spent the day

2391
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,040
and investigated that and david even

2392
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:25,120
came out saying that he thought it was

2393
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,199
an alien connection type abduction and

2394
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,400
um yes there's plenty of uh

2395
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:35,760
stories around the rocky mountains of um

2396
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:40,629
yeah

2397
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,320
i love it out there i'm trying to

2398
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,080
remember that pass that you drive

2399
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:46,080
through way up above the tundra it's so

2400
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:47,520
beautiful

2401
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,560
like fourteen thousand feet

2402
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:52,639
yes that's 12 ridge road goes on over to

2403
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,679
granby

2404
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,719
and uh

2405
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,800
um that's uh yeah so you're talking

2406
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:58,320
about trail ridge road

2407
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:01,120
yeah yeah that is just just beautiful up

2408
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:01,840
there

2409
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,800
love it

2410
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,719
um

2411
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,560
are you familiar with

2412
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:08,480
the stuff that was that's been going on

2413
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:11,360
at our nuclear facilities

2414
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,520
the alien contact experience is there we

2415
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,000
just did a short film about this guy who

2416
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:18,320
had an encounter on yeah hang on just a

2417
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:20,719
minute uh ken ken thank you very much

2418
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:21,760
for the call

2419
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:24,719
thanks kenny thank you thank you

2420
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:27,679
all right bye yeah go ahead go ahead ron

2421
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:29,920
so so you familiar with the contact

2422
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:32,080
experiences with our in our missile

2423
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,280
fields yes uh i i

2424
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:37,840
had robert hastings on many years ago a

2425
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,280
number of times

2426
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,520
and uh yeah fascinating stuff

2427
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:43,120
yeah just did it we just did a short

2428
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,560
film called

2429
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:47,120
nukes and aliens and nukes uh the mario

2430
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:48,320
woods

2431
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,480
story and he describes his contact

2432
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:52,880
experience there 2010

2433
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,520
talking about aliens on human

2434
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:57,280
intelligence and messing with

2435
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:00,320
electronics they took offline to launch

2436
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,480
facilities at least part of them

2437
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,239
at iffy warren near cheyenne which is

2438
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:06,719
close to rocky mountains in a way

2439
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:09,760
and uh people saw ufos over

2440
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:11,920
over the missile fields at that time

2441
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:13,840
over over cheyenne

2442
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:16,159
president obama was informed

2443
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,800
so it's a real experience and the

2444
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:20,400
question is you know are they

2445
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,760
are they

2446
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:24,159
showing like hey we can control you

2447
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,760
anytime we want to are they saying we're

2448
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,520
not going to let you screw up the world

2449
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:29,520
by blowing it up

2450
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:31,760
yeah that's probably robert hastings

2451
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,040
idea too

2452
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:35,679
dedicated the movie to robert by the way

2453
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:38,560
yes yeah you know i think it's

2454
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,440
it really makes you wonder i mean

2455
01:30:46,709 --> 01:30:43,679
that that is a very fascinating topic to

2456
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,719
me in general but you know what stan

2457
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,280
friedman used to say is

2458
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,760
the kids have found the matches you know

2459
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,360
and that's why they're

2460
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:54,880
you know they're trying to

2461
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:56,560
they've done these different

2462
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,960
interferences with warheads all the way

2463
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,199
back since the 1960s

2464
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,440
you know when they the first 11 went

2465
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:05,679
offline robert salas has been on this

2466
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:07,840
show a number of times and talked about

2467
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:09,920
that but you're saying the encounter in

2468
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:11,600
particular that you're talking about

2469
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,719
happened in 2010 is that what you said

2470
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,800
and what exactly happened can you i'm

2471
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:18,320
unfamiliar with that can you explain

2472
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,760
what happened with that one

2473
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:22,480
for roughly a half hour

2474
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:23,600
the

2475
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,320
and

2476
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:35,120
ufo or uaps were sighted over the

2477
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,800
missile fields and over cheyenne by

2478
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:38,239
multiple people

2479
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:39,920
at the same time

2480
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:41,280
you know and that's a spooky thing to

2481
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:42,320
happen

2482
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,520
there are earlier reports of such things

2483
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:47,840
um before 2010 but this is well

2484
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,360
documented one

2485
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,440
and of course as i said

2486
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,199
there's good indication that obama was

2487
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,880
informed of it who was president at the

2488
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,639
time

2489
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,719
and uh did do you know about the

2490
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:00,560
investigation after

2491
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:01,760
any of that

2492
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:02,960
i do not

2493
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:05,199
it's all hot sauce yeah

2494
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:06,080
and

2495
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:07,600
how about uh

2496
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,760
is is so everything's classified is that

2497
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,440
what you're saying basically

2498
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,960
pretty much

2499
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:14,800
and who was the witness that spoke about

2500
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:20,310
oh mario woods he had another encounter

2501
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:23,120
in another missile field

2502
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:27,600
his mentor is robert hastings by the way

2503
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:30,159
he was a policeman assigned to

2504
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,840
you know an air force policeman assigned

2505
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:33,840
to patrolling they're always patrolling

2506
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:36,159
those missile fields

2507
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:38,800
all the time 24 7.

2508
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:39,600
yeah

2509
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,840
and so he had a direct encounter with a

2510
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:43,280
a craft that

2511
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:45,520
maybe abducted him maybe not but he

2512
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:48,960
picked up his vehicle and moved it about

2513
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:51,120
at least 20 miles away and he had no

2514
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:52,560
recollection how it got there on the

2515
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:54,639
edge of a dam it's a pretty incredible

2516
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,520
story

2517
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,960
ah wow

2518
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:58,480
wow sounds like someone i'd want to talk

2519
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:59,840
to sometime

2520
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:01,600
for sure if you want i can give you his

2521
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,600
email yeah yeah yeah so uh so that's a

2522
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:07,679
film that's out there and

2523
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:10,320
we just had ken call and talk about

2524
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:12,480
that film how many films on this topic

2525
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,280
do you have or and you have something in

2526
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:17,199
post-production as well right

2527
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:18,560
we have a new series called the

2528
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:21,040
paranormal highway this is where we went

2529
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,719
out to five

2530
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,440
five paranormal hot spots and did

2531
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:27,520
investigations and we had

2532
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:29,120
at least

2533
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:31,280
these four or five really unusual

2534
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:33,120
paranormal occurrences

2535
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:34,880
including some of alan's contact

2536
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,520
experiences they all happen so

2537
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:39,520
it seems like uh

2538
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,320
whatever these non-human intelligence

2539
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,400
are they seem to be happy with us

2540
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:46,560
filming and recording this stuff because

2541
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:49,120
we get stuff all the time

2542
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,800
like i said when we when that those

2543
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:53,360
creatures we caught on our trail cam

2544
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,040
they're quite interesting

2545
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,800
they're small

2546
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:58,800
but when when you see them in the trail

2547
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:59,679
camp

2548
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,040
they're never wholly there they're kind

2549
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,440
of waffling in and out of existence as

2550
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:04,960
they move around

2551
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:07,360
which is kind of free keep it cool

2552
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,719
so you're talking about this is through

2553
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,560
your trail cams

2554
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:11,840
yeah we captured

2555
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:13,840
live video moving

2556
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:16,239
coming out of our portal

2557
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:17,120
wow

2558
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,120
yeah right at night time it's always

2559
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:25,679
night is it always nighttime

2560
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:27,760
around the same time yeah

2561
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:28,639
yeah

2562
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,960
and how far are these how far are these

2563
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:32,639
apart you know the

2564
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:34,000
cameras that you have a lot of them out

2565
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:36,480
there we have one camera on our on our

2566
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:37,920
mutilation site

2567
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,560
in our gifting site

2568
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:42,880
oh oh and that's the same site where you

2569
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:45,280
you found that any other mutilations or

2570
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,880
was it just that

2571
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:48,400
that one

2572
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,119
surprisingly a year later

2573
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,280
it appeared it appeared like there were

2574
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,199
it was the thing had been picked clean

2575
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:57,360
right there wasn't hardly anything left

2576
01:35:01,990 --> 01:34:58,880
we hadn't been up there in quite a while

2577
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:02,000
it was actually um late last year

2578
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:03,520
and when we did go back up there there

2579
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:05,600
was there was a what was left of a

2580
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:07,280
fresher carcass there so there was

2581
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,360
something else but we sort of

2582
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:11,360
got to we sort of missed that one almost

2583
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:13,760
anyway we caught the tail end of it but

2584
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:15,600
we put the camera up again just in case

2585
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,040
but we haven't gone back and looked at

2586
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:18,960
it yet

2587
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,320
oh wow wow and so

2588
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,239
you know we talk a lot about

2589
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,320
evidence and you heard

2590
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:28,800
that woman talk about how

2591
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:30,560
um

2592
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,520
the

2593
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,360
uh

2594
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,280
she just knows that they don't want

2595
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:37,360
pictures of her

2596
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:40,320
of them she doesn't want

2597
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,840
she's not able to take pictures of them

2598
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,440
because she told them she wouldn't or

2599
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,000
whatever and and her camera according to

2600
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:47,920
her you know left her hand stuff like

2601
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:48,719
that

2602
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,639
heard

2603
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,800
you know similar stories of

2604
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,880
yeah i learned very early on in my

2605
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,600
bigfoot investigating times that

2606
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,679
if uh if you have a lot of bigfoot in an

2607
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:03,040
area and you want to get a picture and

2608
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,480
you put your trail cams out it's a good

2609
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,639
way to keep them away so we always tell

2610
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:08,639
people if they're scaring you put some

2611
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,800
cameras up and and all that stuff will

2612
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,600
stop so they do seem to know

2613
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:15,040
when things like that are happening i

2614
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,159
don't know if it's just to change the

2615
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:17,760
environment or the frequencies or what

2616
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:20,480
but um yeah they definitely don't want

2617
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,840
their picture taken

2618
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,480
um

2619
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,800
bill says what about ufologists and

2620
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,199
bigfoot researchers not working together

2621
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,280
since they want to do separate

2622
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:33,520
cryptid from e.t what do you think of

2623
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:34,320
that

2624
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:35,920
well we definitely have been seeing a

2625
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,880
shift in that you know we've been uh

2626
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,400
going around and speaking at different

2627
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,800
places and sharing our films and we get

2628
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:44,880
larger and larger groups of people that

2629
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,679
are interested in this connection so i

2630
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,679
think it's um it's a it's a way of

2631
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:52,159
thinking that's starting to shift and

2632
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,040
we're trying to nudge it along if we can

2633
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,960
yeah and you know i mean you there i

2634
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:58,560
heard you i had never heard that there

2635
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,800
was a bigfoot conference until i heard

2636
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,480
you say say that earlier there's a lot

2637
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,560
of bigfoot conferences is it really oh

2638
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,400
yeah they're all over the country there

2639
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,119
are a lot of ufo conferences right yes

2640
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,600
and so so we're being invited to ufo

2641
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,520
conferences even though

2642
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,840
we're primarily bigfooters so they're

2643
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:17,280
beginning to merge

2644
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:18,960
and then the bigfoot conference to start

2645
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:21,040
having ufo people so

2646
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:23,040
it's just it's working we're trying to

2647
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:24,400
be that we're trying to be that olive

2648
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,600
branch to sort of bring those

2649
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:27,280
conversations together because there's a

2650
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:28,800
lot of people you know that come to us

2651
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:31,119
and say i saw bigfoot and then something

2652
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:32,560
weird happened and i want to talk to you

2653
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:33,840
about that because some of the other

2654
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:35,920
bigfoot guys don't want to hear that so

2655
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,639
yeah it's very interesting do you hear

2656
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:40,560
of other weird things that kind of go

2657
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,159
along with that as well besides ufos

2658
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:46,560
i mean has anyone ever said they saw a

2659
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:49,360
ghost and a bigfoot i mean yeah we

2660
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,199
shouldn't be laughing but disembodied

2661
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:53,920
voices and shadow people and all those

2662
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:55,840
kinds of things come into play at some

2663
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,639
point

2664
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,000
certainly in these things we call

2665
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,199
paranormal hot spot there are ghosts

2666
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:04,080
orbs every form of paranormal experience

2667
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,960
there's

2668
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,480
they're all there

2669
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:08,880
yeah yeah

2670
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:12,239
right and what about um

2671
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:14,560
when things i mean the

2672
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,400
she mentioned this she thought she was

2673
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:18,480
having like missing time is that is that

2674
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,600
ever

2675
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:21,600
mentioned at all when people are talking

2676
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:23,840
about this phenomenon oh yeah it

2677
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,320
happened to alan we we had a dramatic

2678
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,639
case of that in wisconsin i could tell

2679
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:30,880
you about it if you're interested

2680
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:34,880
yeah yeah yeah go ahead yeah well um

2681
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:36,400
jay bachokin

2682
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,280
he's that big footer in in

2683
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,440
in the in the southeastern wisconsin and

2684
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,360
the kettle moraine

2685
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:45,520
and i told you there's this place that's

2686
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,159
kind of the sweet spot next to

2687
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:50,960
the beast of bray road road have you

2688
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:52,000
heard of that

2689
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,239
it's probably one of the best known

2690
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,639
cryptid monsters sort of phenomenal yes

2691
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,960
i have i have heard that yes yes yeah

2692
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:00,719
yeah so we were there

2693
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,440
and there's a guy a gentleman farmer who

2694
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:05,920
owns a piece of property 35 acres right

2695
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,480
next to bray road and he's he's recorded

2696
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:10,480
stuff on his trail cam that's

2697
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:13,360
he's captured ufos probably pictures of

2698
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,239
the beast which is kind of a quasi

2699
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,239
you know bigfoot sort of thing but kind

2700
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:20,880
of dogman dog manage

2701
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,040
and so we were

2702
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:24,960
we were out there we noticed there was

2703
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,639
this spot that he wouldn't go into the

2704
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,719
owner of the property he says everything

2705
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:30,880
where it's going out there so that was

2706
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,600
where we wanted to do our investigation

2707
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,080
and when night set up we were let's call

2708
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:37,840
that the north fence

2709
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:41,119
we're on the south side and

2710
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,360
we decided okay it's time to go over to

2711
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:45,360
to where we wanted to do our primary

2712
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:47,040
investigation so

2713
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,639
me and the cameraman

2714
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:51,040
took our vehicle and drove around

2715
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:54,639
and alan and jay decided to walk across

2716
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:55,920
the field

2717
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:57,520
to the to what we thought would be the

2718
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:58,880
hot spot

2719
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:01,280
and as they were walking across

2720
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:03,679
first of all jay said oh turn your

2721
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:04,880
camera on

2722
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:06,800
and he did a little interview

2723
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:09,600
on camera which he said basically

2724
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,400
there's fear here there's flying fear

2725
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,239
and flight he was kind of babbling away

2726
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:16,639
and it was sort of strange and but that

2727
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:17,920
was fine

2728
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:19,440
and then he said turn the camera on

2729
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,320
again and he took a laser you know a

2730
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:25,440
laser pointer you know what they are

2731
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:27,040
you know the laser pointer yes yes of

2732
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:29,440
course yes so

2733
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,719
on the on the film that alan shot

2734
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:34,320
you could see that we pulled our truck

2735
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:35,040
off

2736
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:38,800
and then there was a self-illuminating

2737
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,920
light

2738
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,440
right at the spot where we were going to

2739
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,280
do our investigation

2740
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,760
and jay pulled out his laser

2741
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,040
and hit it

2742
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:49,040
you know pointed at it touched it that

2743
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,639
spot

2744
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:52,080
and

2745
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,760
that's all on film we can see him doing

2746
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,440
that

2747
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,440
and then he won't they they walk to the

2748
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:59,840
spot and that's where we captured the

2749
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:02,080
maybe the image of the the visa bray

2750
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:05,600
road but later when we got back i called

2751
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:07,199
lovejay and said

2752
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,679
what were you thinking when you

2753
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,440
put your

2754
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:13,679
laser beam on that spot

2755
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,600
and he had no recollection of walking

2756
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:17,440
across the field doing any of that doing

2757
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,750
and he said normally you know i have a

2758
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,360
photographic memory and he told me

2759
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,000
exactly what happened before he walked

2760
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:29,600
across and when he arrived on the other

2761
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:32,960
side but he had no recollection of that

2762
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,800
happening he said yeah it was kind of

2763
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:37,040
strange because lee said he saw us on

2764
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,920
his trail cam the owner of the property

2765
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,360
and they said well i don't quite

2766
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:44,159
remember that so he had no memory so he

2767
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,000
so he went someplace maybe he was

2768
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,080
abducted who in the heck knows but isn't

2769
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:50,320
that darn strange

2770
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,239
very very uh bill just posted something

2771
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:55,760
and

2772
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:58,560
i think is do people actually try to

2773
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:01,040
hunt bigfoot

2774
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:02,719
you know to kill him

2775
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:03,920
yeah there are people that believe

2776
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,560
that's the way to sort of bring this to

2777
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:08,480
to the forefront is to to bring a body

2778
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:09,760
back

2779
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,239
that's that's horrible i think yeah that

2780
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:14,000
is you know especially if they're

2781
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,280
they're

2782
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,440
possibly whatever they are seem very

2783
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:19,920
intelligent i mean not especially i mean

2784
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:20,719
every

2785
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,679
you know

2786
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,920
every animal really but still i just

2787
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:25,600
think yeah yeah that almost sounds

2788
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,920
criminal um here's another question do

2789
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:29,360
you

2790
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:34,400
might be covering up some evidence of

2791
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:37,280
bigfoot just like they do similar to ets

2792
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,480
or

2793
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:40,800
ufos i think it's possible i think

2794
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:42,560
there's enough

2795
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,040
um you know known stories out there to

2796
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,360
suggest that that may be happening in

2797
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:49,119
some to some degree

2798
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,320
you know we don't really know what

2799
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,480
happened out in the skinwalker ranch

2800
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,480
either when when the government was sort

2801
01:42:58,229 --> 01:42:56,400
of toying around there so there's

2802
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,239
there's a lot of secrets they have on

2803
01:43:02,310 --> 01:42:59,760
those things i think

2804
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:02,320
now did they actually say i i read the

2805
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,600
book that

2806
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:04,880
george knapp and i can't remember who

2807
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,440
else wrote on skinwalker but did they

2808
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,679
actually say they saw a creature like

2809
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:11,679
bigfoot i know they saw

2810
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,800
cryptids of different types large dogs a

2811
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:16,159
wolf and

2812
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:17,679
you know things like that but they did

2813
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,520
they actually see a bigfoot like

2814
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,960
creature

2815
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:22,000
do you know

2816
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:23,760
yeah i don't know for sure and you know

2817
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:24,800
i don't know how some of it was

2818
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:27,280
interpreted either so

2819
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:28,719
yeah huh

2820
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:29,600
so

2821
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:32,239
okay can i tell yeah sure

2822
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,520
image of the creature one of the

2823
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,600
creatures that came through our portal

2824
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,320
uh uh this is the way to do that are you

2825
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:40,239
do you know how to screen share down

2826
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:42,320
below at the bottom of the thing

2827
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:44,080
it would just be on my

2828
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,760
i'd hold up my uh

2829
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,199
cell phone and stick it in front of the

2830
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,119
camera okay sure we'll give it a try

2831
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,040
yeah go ahead

2832
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:53,040
uh you're gonna have to do a little

2833
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,000
better than that i think okay

2834
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,480
uh you know if you could we still have

2835
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,800
you know 15 minutes if you have a way to

2836
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:03,520
email that picture to me i will put that

2837
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,840
up for everyone to

2838
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,880
see so you see that there's something

2839
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:08,400
there with the head and the tail you can

2840
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:10,159
see it but i can't really make it out so

2841
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,360
if you don't mind if you can figure out

2842
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,280
a way to email that to me

2843
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,800
um or if you have that same image

2844
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,800
alan and you're able to do that quickly

2845
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,880
feel free to eat send an email and i'll

2846
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,960
put that up for everyone

2847
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:24,800
yeah i do have it somewhere but not

2848
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:25,679
handy

2849
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:26,960
yeah okay

2850
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,199
uh well i'll tell you what why don't you

2851
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:31,600
do this yeah you try if you can't do it

2852
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:33,920
then um try to get it to me and i'll put

2853
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,360
it in the in the show notes for everyone

2854
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:39,600
and what do you mean later

2855
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:41,040
or no

2856
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:42,800
yeah if you can just send me an email

2857
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:45,119
right now if you can't then um then i

2858
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,480
will do

2859
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:48,000
uh i will put it in the show notes for

2860
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:50,159
everyone to see

2861
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:54,310
what's

2862
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:57,600
what it i showed earlier the patterson

2863
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:59,199
uh

2864
01:45:01,669 --> 01:45:00,320
gimmel

2865
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:01,679
i think it's called

2866
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,400
yeah and what are your you know i

2867
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,239
mentioned to you what i thought about it

2868
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:08,239
um because of

2869
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,159
you know what i've heard about i i saw a

2870
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:12,400
guy process here it is playing again

2871
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,360
it's stabilized and colorized

2872
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:16,800
but i saw

2873
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,840
you know someone take it frame by frame

2874
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:21,520
and

2875
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,679
anatomy

2876
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:28,320
and how it just didn't work

2877
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,199
okay i think i got that email so i will

2878
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:32,639
uh

2879
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:34,400
i will get that up on the screen i see

2880
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,280
it it's not it's not totally clear but i

2881
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:39,360
see i see something but i'll get that up

2882
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,800
on the screen thank you

2883
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,880
um but so what do you think about that

2884
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,400
film in particular either one of you

2885
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,560
want to talk so i've not sat down and

2886
01:45:50,709 --> 01:45:48,320
analyzed the film but that was one of

2887
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:50,719
the pieces of evidence that you know

2888
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:52,400
interested me in this subject to begin

2889
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,360
with and

2890
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:55,280
since then i've heard a lot of people

2891
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,520
talk about it and i've met bob gimlin

2892
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:00,239
before and and he's one of the most you

2893
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:03,440
know stand-up guys i've met so i have no

2894
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:05,920
reasons to doubt it and and i sort of i

2895
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:08,960
sort of hold that video in high regard

2896
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:11,360
yeah yeah it's it's one that

2897
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,440
has kind of stood up to scrutiny as far

2898
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:15,360
as i know no one's ever been able to

2899
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,400
debunk it yeah yeah so far this is the

2900
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:20,239
image that they're talking about now i

2901
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,440
can't really

2902
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:24,000
i'm trying to make exactly what i'm

2903
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,040
seeing

2904
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:28,000
but i see something

2905
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:30,239
and what what do you think you're seeing

2906
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:34,320
there in this image so there's a head

2907
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:36,320
on the left hand side

2908
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,320
and then there's a neck and then

2909
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:40,800
like i said the the creature this is a

2910
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:43,199
screen grab from one particular frame of

2911
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:45,040
the trail cam right

2912
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,560
but you're actually seeing

2913
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:48,480
are you actually seeing this thing move

2914
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:50,880
in the oh yeah yeah it moves off to the

2915
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,159
left side of the

2916
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,800
and off the out of frame

2917
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,880
yeah is it is it does it have a

2918
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:58,560
gate like a uh

2919
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,669
it's hard to say because it is it's

2920
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:06,080
never quite all there is you can see

2921
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,320
that it's missing like the like it's not

2922
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:10,480
all there like it's like you might say

2923
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:12,719
it's injury happened happened one world

2924
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:14,000
happened another

2925
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:15,760
and that's the way they were

2926
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:18,159
in general just kind of swimming through

2927
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:19,920
the frame that way

2928
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:21,840
kind of waffling in and out of existence

2929
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:23,360
by moving

2930
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:25,520
in the frame itself as well

2931
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:27,360
but it looks like a pig sheep kind of

2932
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:28,880
animal

2933
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,480
but it's small it's about the size of a

2934
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,480
large house cat maybe

2935
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:36,080
okay so for those of you who are

2936
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:37,760
listening to the audio podcast that will

2937
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:39,360
be in the show notes you just click that

2938
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:40,400
in the uh

2939
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:42,719
below the text on any app you're

2940
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:44,719
listening to the show that'll be there

2941
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:47,840
i'll put that in there tonight um so

2942
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,199
um but you

2943
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:50,800
are you actually releasing this in a

2944
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:53,040
film in one of your upcoming videos that

2945
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:55,199
are coming out yeah alien contact in the

2946
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,600
rockies we actually show how we resolved

2947
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:59,600
and you can see the dome shape from

2948
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,760
which it emerged and

2949
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,360
the mutilated

2950
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,280
deer that showed up at the site you know

2951
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:07,520
that triggered it all and alan running

2952
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:10,159
around measuring the electromagnetic

2953
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:12,880
distortions and all that it's all there

2954
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:14,719
now the thing you were talking we had a

2955
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:17,119
bunch of questions you called it a rim i

2956
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,719
don't know what you call ram not it

2957
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:19,840
sounds like

2958
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:22,080
it's a rempot r-e-n

2959
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,520
uh someone wanted to know if you could

2960
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,920
describe that exactly what it was

2961
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:27,840
in the shape of it and all that stuff

2962
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:30,000
yeah it's a it's a round uh piece of

2963
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:33,040
paranormal equipment um fairly fairly

2964
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,400
small

2965
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:36,800
it's made out of some like round pvc

2966
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,679
pipe

2967
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:40,480
um and then it's got it's got some very

2968
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:43,679
large leds around the top and it's a

2969
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:46,800
little chrome antenna that sticks up and

2970
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:49,600
that antenna emits this emf field and

2971
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:53,040
when you interact with that emf field

2972
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:54,560
depending on how close you get to the

2973
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:57,360
antenna the the lights the frequency of

2974
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,719
the lights

2975
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,880
they speed up and they change colors and

2976
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:03,440
and the the audible tone gets higher uh

2977
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,760
the more intense that interaction is so

2978
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,080
we use that device in areas that are

2979
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:10,239
that that you just sort of set it out

2980
01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:12,560
there in in open space

2981
01:49:23,589 --> 01:49:13,679
and

2982
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:23,599
happen with it

2983
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,320
well not very often a lot of times we we

2984
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,560
don't have anything happening so um when

2985
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,159
it starts going off we usually pay

2986
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,239
attention to it it's not it's not that

2987
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:34,560
sensitive at advice

2988
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:37,199
ah interesting well uh so where can

2989
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:38,719
someone find

2990
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:40,080
like they want to

2991
01:49:43,589 --> 01:49:41,920
do you have a website or something where

2992
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:43,599
can they find you and find what you're

2993
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:48,470
um well we're we're working on all that

2994
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,440
stuff uh right now i guess um your

2995
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,520
youtube channel yeah you can look me up

2996
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,920
on uh on facebook i have a public

2997
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,159
profile page there um i just launched

2998
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,239
the national paranormal network on

2999
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,239
youtube so you can search for national

3000
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:04,400
paranormal network i'm starting to

3001
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:06,000
release some films there and we have a

3002
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:07,599
lot of other videos

3003
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:08,880
and then

3004
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:12,719
a lot of our other films are also on on

3005
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:15,040
youtube that you can look up by name

3006
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:15,760
yeah

3007
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,400
most our films have regular distributors

3008
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:20,080
and we don't control

3009
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:23,679
what happens to them in a way

3010
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:26,000
so like the bigfoot internet connection

3011
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,360
revealed is

3012
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,840
it's on 2b it's on youtube it's on

3013
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,760
amazon prime

3014
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:33,679
it's on

3015
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,320
comcast download and a couple other ones

3016
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:37,920
like pluto i don't even know them all

3017
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:38,800
but

3018
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:42,159
so so i really don't control that uh

3019
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,000
that part of it

3020
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:46,639
the distributor doesn't and one

3021
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,320
the

3022
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:51,360
have

3023
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:54,639
dvds will be made as well as the digital

3024
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:56,159
presence on number of streaming

3025
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:58,080
platforms but until they're released i

3026
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,960
really don't know what they're going to

3027
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,239
do exactly

3028
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:02,000
right yeah i unders i understand all

3029
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:03,920
that well thank you both very much it

3030
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:05,360
was a real pleasure it was really

3031
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:08,239
something different for the show and uh

3032
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:09,840
but i really appreciate you coming on

3033
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:12,800
and and talking talking to us and i also

3034
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:15,679
want to thank uh marty for calling in

3035
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:18,239
from washington as well thank you both

3036
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,119
very much thanks martin

3037
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:23,760
all right take care

3038
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:25,599
all right everyone so that is it for the

3039
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:28,080
show this evening next week we have ron

3040
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:31,520
ferber on and thank you all and i

3041
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:33,679
appreciate you watching and hanging in

3042
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:36,320
for this show tonight and we'll see you

3043
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,159
next week at the same time

3044
01:51:42,900 --> 01:51:40,239
and remember to keep your eyes to the

3045
01:51:52,210 --> 01:51:42,910
sky